Pentagon Has ‘Off-World Vehicles Not Made on This Earth’

You would have to know the history of this material and apparently you don't. Your answers are out there. For this material has been around for years. Only private individuals have had it analysed. It has printed reports..

The physicist hal Putoff thinks if enough energy is run through it, it will be antigravity. Trouble is he doesn't have the degree of energy needed. But the army does. So now they have it.

 

A statement from Schmitt ( as published, I didn't highlight anything):
http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2015/05/a-final-fatal-statement-about-roswell.html

Because of the above, I'll cut him some slack, anyone can make a mistake.

 

His bias fried his processor. Most in the UFO field share that bias. Even Dolan is into the Woo.

Kevin Randle now that Stanton is dead is the most credible IMO.

LMH is a gullible nut. As is Greer. And Cameron.

These people make a living from UFOs and that has compromised most of them.

 

His bias fried his processor. Most in the UFO field share that bias. Even Dolan is into the Woo.

Kevin Randle now that Stanton is dead is the most credible IMO.

LMH is a gullible nut. As is Greer. And Cameron.

These people make a living from UFOs and that has compromised most of them.

 

Wonder if he gave the money back?

 

Well, Randle thinks enough of Schmitt that he and Schmitt co-authored a book, I hear it's pretty good.

"Ufo Crash at Roswell"

I don't buy the premise that making a living at something automatically discredits you. Research takes a lot of effort, and one has a right to earn a living. Ufology is not a lucrative field, and Friedman has commented on this a number of times.

 

This guy who seems to be 'in the know' says he knows for a fact that the tic tacs are ours.

 

I like Randle, a straight shooter.

He's had a few bad experiences with Friedman, he writes about it here. I'm not seeing anything negative about Schmitt, and he did write at least one book with Schmitt ( see other reply )

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/

 

Randle revised that book when he found out some of his sources were lying..

Dolan doesn't call out lmh either. And she has gone off the rail. Friends .

I think the lack of new factual info tends to make these people gullible. Take the Wilson document. Both Wilson and that physicist in the OP have denied the account in the Wilson document that was supposedly found in Edgar Mitchell's papers after he died. You see too much of this sort of thing in ufology.

The quote in the OP came from this document verbatim.... not of this earth.

And do you believe Greer debriefed our military and Intel on UFOs? Lol

 

And Cory Goode's story is true too! Lol

Do you believe everyone who makes these claims but conveniently never give sources? What a racket.

 

Randle is more skeptical than most. Yet he and Schmitt are friends. I have seen randle give Stephen Bassett a pass too.

I used to respect Dolan but he has bought into the woo lately. When he sticks to foia documents he is good

George Knapp is the best we have IMO. And has the best inside connections. And integrity.

 

Which is why what has been presented here and what has been presented by the one astrophysicist are claims.

So I gather, and there appears to be a whole range of different understanding, ideas and explanations. None of them are in any way definitive or conclusive though, so the claim of "confirmation" of anything remains false.

 

Even Friedman said that, in Ufology, no matter how much woo you eschew, it's not a bad idea to maintain a 'grey bucket'.

 

What's your opinion of the Majestic Docs? The Som-1 manual, etc.

 

Who says I believe anything? I find things interesting, or not. For me, it's not about believing, or not.

 

Knapp likes Lazar and Lear, what about you?

 

Have you read anything by Bud Hopkins or Dr. David Jacobs?

I find them very interesting.

Again, it's not about believing anything or not. For me, it's only about what is interesting, or not.

 

No one is saying science is to be ignored.

No one is saying believe anything. For me, the whole subject is not about believing anything or not, it's about whether something is interesting, or not.

But, it's okay to believe, to have a gut feeling, we are not in a damn court of law.

And scientists aren't that swift, either. I drove a cab, back in the 70s, and had two guys in my cab for an hour, headed to the airport form downtown, and the traffic was bad, even in the 70s.

I asked them what they thought about aliens and interstellar travel. the told me that, while they believe their are other planets with intelligent life, there are no aliens on earth because interstellar travel for any reasonable period of time, say weeks, months, etc., was impossible.

Now, mind you, I was just a cab driver, 2 years of college in liberal arts. That's it. But, after a hour of working on these guys, they commended me for changing their mind about it. they went from saying it was impossible, to accepting the possibility.

Read Dr. David Jacobs' "Walking Among Us", he's not a scientist, he even claims his work is the least scientific there is, testimony given under hypnosis but it sure is interesting, the interesting thing being that people from all walks of life, as far back as the 80s when there wasn't an 'alien culture' like there is now, hundreds of people, all pretty much telling the same story, giving details that were not published in any book at that time ( the primary one that aliens take sperm form males, and ova from females, which was not mentioned in the Barney and Betty abduction case, yet Barney finally admitted it years later -- he didn't want it in the book because he was embarrassed ) and I find his work far more interesting than what I've heard any scientist say about the subject.

See, a scientist will tell you that aliens have never visited earth, 'because there is no evidence'. I find Jacob's work, maybe not good enough for a scientist, but is sure as hell is compelling. What is compelling is the incredible detail given, extraordinary detail from ordinary people.

But, of course, you are so blinded by science you won't even look. I can't get any scientist to read Jacob's book,
( because of the unreliability of hypnosis ) What they don't know is how Jacob's addresses this, he doesn't claim it's good science, but he does explain the compelling nature of the testimonies given, he indicates the nature of 'confabulation' versus factual testimony. They both manifest quite differently. If a subject is projecting into a scene, his or her imagination, the story never stays the same, but something factual, not only stays the same, more and more detail emerges. He has developed 'controls' for getting people to the truth. Technique's he developed because what he is doing in hypnosis, is a new field, it's not even taught in hypnotherapy schools ( I checked ). He's extremely mindful of the prospect of 'leading', and explains that doing it is wrong, the point is, all the objections you can toss up, he's addressed it in his books, but no, you guys have already made up your mind about it.

And, You'll never read Jacob's book, because he is not a scientist.

Scientist are barking up the wrong tree, they are listening for radio signals. Even Stanton Friedman said that was stupid. A race millions of years ahead of us are not likely to be communicating via radio signals. You what else the abductees said, and i'm talking' every single one of them, said? Aliens do not speak, they have no vocal cords, they communicate telepathically. You'd think that if these ordinary people were making it all up, they would have a less unified reportage on the the subject? No scientist would ever accept such a thing as communicating telepathically, because it's 'metaphysics'.
I say it's not metaphysical, there is no such thing, it's like the old adage, what seems like magic eventually becomes science, given enough time.

 

The laminated metal was confirmed to be one of a kind and not used for earthly technology . A mystery. So if the lab used is right that much has been confirmed. You can verify that with some research, unless you are adverse to being wrong. That info is available.

You are arguing out of ignorance of the history of this material. Astounding!

 

I did do a brief search, which is how I found references to various investigations of that material, some suggesting it couldn't be reproduced and others suggesting it could. Regardless, none of them provided any evidence that it was "from off-world vehicles not made on this earth", which is actually the claim that is being called "confirmed" here. My point is that it is a mystery and therefore nothing about it can be called confirmed.

As far as I can tell, you're the first person to refer to any specific materials in this thread. I was arguing the statements in the OP article alone because that was all that had been presented. Even if there was other definitive evidence out there, the article doesn't confirm anything as it claimed.

 

Good work!

The letter that came with that metal was sci fi . So its a joke a hoax . One reasonable explanation for it being bismuth and magnesium is its the dross of a process that uses magnesium to purify lead. It has no known use because its dross. Lol

LMH was at one time a legit journalist but the cattle mutilations pretty much took her mind away.

She sold that piece of ET metal to Delong for 35 grand. The army now has it. There is money to be made when it comes to UFOs. And plenty of people who spin sci fi tales. To gullible researchers.

Few pearls are found in that world of BS

 

My prediction is that no nation is going to get UFO technology.

 

We agree on that.

We don't know what these things are.

Consider the reports off the east coast of interaction with globes that have a visible square inside it. Wtf?

Unknown flying objects.

I find this weird surrealism bothersome. It flirts with magic. A reality we can't understand. I don't like it.

 

I don't have an opinion on those docs. If they were found by FOIA enquiry that would be different. So much fakery in that field. Although I think Stanton believed some of the MJ docs were legit..

 

Oh just rhetoric was my intent, nothing personal towards you.

I find this UFO world very interesting. It is a riddle inside an enigma on so many levels. Real mystery.