Hyphenated Americans should get half a vote

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  1. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    I was born in the US, raised in Ireland, lived in many countries, speak several languages, have permanent residence in the US, and possess US, British and Irish passports, how do I measure my level of Americanism?
     
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    As stated in the OP you sign a document before voting. Check the box for American instead of hyphenated American. Either fully commit on a legal document or half commit and get half a vote. Your
    I agree. Few if any would choose the hyphenated American box and forcing them to fill in the American box would be a moral victory and maybe force them to think a little bit about what being an American means.
    Having said that I'm astounded at the response this thread recieved. I was basically just venting my annoyance and frustration at all these hyphenated Americans and expected little if any response.
    Interesting to me that this triggered so many people and I'm trying to figure out just why that is.
     
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    Thats entirely up to you isn't it.
     
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    I wouldn't be so quick to believe this particular topic is anything special. This topic deals with race in America and it's 2020...'nuff said. Anything dealing with race in any capacity whatsoever has somehow become front page news nowadays.

    NASA just said they are renaming some of the celestial bodies to be less racially offensive....That's how ridiculous this has gotten lol

    Folks would get "triggered" nowadays if they could see the air they breathe. Our society has now delegated itself to walking on eggshells in all walks of life so as to not accidentally open your mouth and "offend" somebody. I for one find it personally hilarious.
     
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    Well now, that is how I might see it, but some seem to think not only is there is a measure, but it should dictate the rights I am free to enjoy.
     
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    The OP said nothing about race but you have a point in that so many leftist types knee jerked into that position which explains the response level.
     
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    And again as per your question how you define yourself is up to you.
     
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    So, if that is the case, what would that mean to someone illegally entering the US and deciding they are now 100% American. I am not sure that is how things work.
    What does seem to work, is if I have a passport for a country, I seem to be considered for all purposes to be a fully vested citizen of that country, and considering I hold more than one, I have never been told my level of citizenship is proportional to the number of passports I hold.
    BTW... My tax liability is a bit complex because I earn in multiple countries.
     
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    Well to be fair you did begin your thread with "Call yourself African American, Mexican American etc and only the American half should get to vote in an American election."

    If you would have said "Irish American or Italian American" then it MAY not have dove into race as quickly. It likely would have anyway because most hyphenated Americans are minorities and folks would have automatically assumed you were specifically talking about them because this is 2020.

    On a more positive note I do remember recently filling out some government form that simply asked "Are you hispanic" and that was the only question involving my race. I think it was my taxes or something. So maybe it's slowly changing?

    Who am I kidding...this is 2020 America...You try to take away the "hyphen" before my "American" and CNN will be running a news story tomorrow about how old white people in the racist government are trying to strip my people of our heritage from a continent that none of us were born in and 99.9% of us have never even been to whose residents have as much in common with me as an old man living in a fishing village in Siberia.

    In fact I would like to present the logical based counter argument as to how come white folks aren't some hyphen American? I don't see "European-American" on any documents to check. So white people are all allowed to be "Caucasian not of Hispanic origin" but everybody else has to get a hyphen next to their "American". That seems like sort of an asterisk to me. White people get to just be implied "American" while everybody else is some sub type of "American".

    That to me seems racist, where are those BLM rioters at yelling at society to stop calling us a different type of American?
     
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    Try to stay on subject
     
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    As I stated earlier it was watching these videos of people identifying as Mexican American and carrying the flag of Mexico as they protested America that triggered me. African Americans got lumped in because that's the other big group that self identifies that way. As others in here asked if my position held with any white group that self identified as an hyphenated American I replied most definitely.
    Many have tried to label me as racist but that's SOP for leftists and water off this ducks back.
     
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    It irks me to see that sort of thing too but I don't think black folks generally fall into that category. I've been black my entire life, obviously, and my entire family is black. I have never met a single black person who considers themselves "African" American as if they identify with Africa the continent or any country within it. Well except for a small handful who went through that "African" phase when we were growing up and decided to walk around with African garb on and pendants and whatnot that was pretty common in the early years. But it was just a rebel "phase" and the one friend of ours that did that stopped once he hit mid teens and after he got tired of us all making fun of him.

    The only black people I've ever seen who hang different flags and other stuff in their homes were actual African immigrants or black people from other black countries like Jamaica or Belize or something. A lot of black folks in America may think that America isn't fair to them or is racist or whatever but I don't know of any who actually "identify" as something other than American.

    A lot of cities have communities of black immigrants and/or one or two generations removed from their native countries who still identify as whatever country such as the Somali population in Minneapolis. But that's no different than places like "Little Italy" or "Chinatown" in any other city whose residents will likely say they are Italian or Chinese if you ask them what they are.

    Mexico is literally right next door and there is tons of migration to and from Mexico with many being first generation and even having family still living in Mexico which is why you see that sort of thing. When I lived in Upstate NY I saw damn near just as many Canadian flags as I did American flags. But yes if I were to see people in Upstate NY rioting and waving the Canadian flag then I would be equally as irked even though most of the Canadians I met were white. Their race has nothing to do with it, for me it's simple, if you are protesting/rioting in America waving something other than the American flag then feel free to go to that particular country seeing how you're supposedly so pissed off here and are waving their flag as some sort of symbol.
     
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    I mostly agree but I'll harken back to a previous post of yours where you brought up BLM. To me that's dividing America along racial lines and to me all lives matter which of course includes blacks.
     
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    I was being facetious. Simply saying that since BLM and company seem to care so much about perceived racial issues then you would think that being forced to designate yourself as a "sub group" of "American" on official government forms would upset them.

    But as we all know "racism" is subjective and there is virtually zero consistency in that movement or pretty much any of the Far Left ideologies. But I 100% guarantee you that if Congress proposed a bill eliminating all hyphen American designations on documents then the Far Left would be on CNN and MSNBC in 0.06 seconds screaming about how the racist government is trying to strip away minorities' heritage lol.

    When it comes to virtue signalling there is no such thing as consistency, it's all about when you personally pick and choose to be pissed off about something lol.

    The fact of the matter is that folks don't want true equality, they want special treatment. Go ahead and let the government propose we institute a policy of TRUE equality. Meaning things like college applications, job applications, etc all do away with race or gender on any sort of documentation. Not even your name appears, you register for a number and you submit the number on the form. We all know plenty of names are unique to different races and genders so in order of fairness, no names. Simply your qualifications and may the most qualified individuals be selected.

    The Far Left would riot (again) because that would be FAIR but it would be "unfair" somehow. Kinda like how Black Lives Matter is a "movement" but White Lives Matter or hell even All Lives Matter is a racist statement...somehow...

    Your proposal to sort of force folks to stop identifying as hyphen Americans to better enforce the idea that we are all indeed AMERICANS sounds good on paper. But you're pitching it to a 2020 society who in spite of what they may outwardly proclaim, doesn't actually want all of us to be treated the same.
     
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    He is entirely ON TOPIC!

    He just informed you that he has MULTIPLE allegiances to other nations.

    WHY does his AMERICAN vote NOT get reduced accordingly?

    His position is based upon OFFICIAL CITIZENSHIPS!

    Yours is based upon an ARBITRARY HYPHEN!

    Looks like you just trashed your own position WRT "allegiance to America".

    Sad!
     
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    For many, if not most, a hyphenated label is not a designation of allegiance of self identifying with ancestral ethnicity, though, in my case, considering how many different markers of different ethnicities are in my analyzed DNA samples, I’d have to use a lot of hyphens .... or refer to my ethnicity as American mutt which I often do.
    Btw... on any form when faced with filling in my race, I have refused to do so for the last couple decades; it’s a question I feel shouldn’t be asked because IMO without a standard indicating what ratio of DNA is considered a determinate measure of race, my race is indeterminate ... I carry genetic markers from Europe, Africa and likely a greater percentage of Native American than does Elisabeth ‘Pocahontas’ Warren. So, I would mark Mutt if available, or a sampling of all the Good Stuff.
     
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    You seem angry.:yawn:
     
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    :roflol:

    Actually I am PLEASED that YOU ended up TRASHING your own OP!

    :roflol:
     
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    :yawn::yawn:
    Only in your mind but happy is good. Enjoy your day.
     
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    Darn strait Jeb . bein merican is about bein merican - don't ya get it ?... so Simple.
     
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    British-Americans are never white? :roflol:
     

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