Democrats Will Have ‘A Lot Of Explaining To Do’ If They Sue To Stop Trump Executive Orders

Hmm... so many un supported assertions in the above....

 

What money did the President hand out? UI was already passed at $600 a week by the Democrats. President Trump merely reigned that in to $400 per week. The Congress previously passed a law that stopped people from getting evicted. But that really did not do anything. While the moratorium was going on these people's rents kept incurring. When the Moratorium ends, the renters/buyers will still own the overdue rent or mortgages plus what has incurred while the moratorium was going on. They will still end up getting evicted. The EO that Trump Signed instructed several agencies to find a pay to pay these back payments. A damn site better then what the DNC had been offering.

As far as the tax breaks, this merely allows the people to keep more of their money. So, no one is handing out money. But it does place the ball clearly in the Democrats court. If they do not come back to the negotiation table, they stand no chance in November.

 

Nothing President Trump did gave out any money. Please read post #79 for clarification.

As far as DACA is concerned, Obama enacted a law in absence of the Legislature by EO. He did this because the Congress did not do what he wanted to do. What makes Obama's actions far worse, is that there was no crisis going on at the time. DACA may not have been a funding issue, but that does not make it better. President Trump acted in the framework of the Constitution, and Obama violated it outright. You need to study the issues more before you post.

 

DACA usurped Congress by ignoring existing laws.

The 4 Executive orders are in compliance with existing laws.

But I'm quite sure that there is a judge somewhere that will be willing to act as a political phlegmbag.

 

No. The GOP needs to explain why they haven’t proposed a plan that can garner 50 votes in the Senate. If you haven’t heard they control the Senate.

The House passes legislation (May) and then the Senate does the same. Then they resolve the differences.
Propose something, pass it, negotiate.
The GOP is on the sideline, why?

Is this purposeful? Do they want a housing crash? Do they want a housing market with incredibly depressed prices ? What’s their game?

 

The marketing and optics on how democrats are going to play the hypocrisy card here should be epic though. Sorry Nancy didn't get the blue state state/city bailout down... However will they manage now?

 

They are all within the law as opposed to Obama's which the left supported. Why do they make demands on Trump, which he met, but not Obama which he didn't?

 

Trump tweeted this out...

So now Schumer and Pelosi want to meet to make a deal. Amazing how it all works, isn’t it. Where have they been for the last 4 weeks when they were “hardliners”, and only wanted BAILOUT MONEY for Democrat run states and cities that are failing badly? They know my phone number!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1292810574603202565

 

That's why we have the courts

I'm Joe Biden and I approve of this message

 

When I question whether you can read and then suggest I would benefit from props and puppets to understand, then you can call me condescending.

Whether I am worthy or not, you will hear from me. Sure, you did not use the word 'noble' but you continue to laud what you seem to realise is an unconstitutional act. The politics of convenience. How can you say Congress did not do its job? What you can truthfully say is that Congress did not do what YOU wanted it to do.

 

So, where is your outright condemnation for what Trump has done, and where is your support for those who are making critical comments about what he has don?

 

Saying I don't like it and that it might not be constitutional isn't enough? What more do you want? I don't do hysterical tantrums. I simply don't have enough estrogen. If you really need me to run around screaming hair on fire then you have to lend me some.

 

Most democrats are more concerned with freebies than work.

You know the illegals want freebies & they are not republicans.

 

Republicans will have a lot of explaining to do if they support them. Trump is Obama's "pen and phone" on steroids. But they'll never care. The concerns about executive overreach were all fake.

 

Well, the democrats have skipped town without a deal. The republicans were willing to stay in DC to hammer out a deal. There will be no votes on an evil death Wuhan virus aid bill until September 14 at the very least. Looks like Trump made the right call.

 

Trump is about to speak about this, im sure it will be heated.

 

Trump is talking about Shumer saying they should negotiate, Trump said its been 4 weeks.

Earlier the secret service had to pull him away from the podium because the secret service shot someone outside the whitehouse.

 

This is already blowing up in Trump's face.

I don't think this helps Trump or the Republican Party. They need to get something passed by the Senate.

 

They do indeed.

The states administer Unemployment Insurance benefits and no state, even if they had the money on hand, would lay out payments on this scale for which they might not get reimbursed. They are also being asked to come up with 25% of this outlay in a time when tax revenue is dropping.

No, Dirty Donnie just drove a huge wedge in to his own party. The thing for the Dems to do is sit tight and remind everyone that they passed a bill already. This is a complete Republican cluster-F***.

 

I personally agree that unemployment benefits should be extended. However, the president has no authority to authorize spending by extending unemployment benefits, or change taxes by delaying the payroll tax. This executive order is clearly unconstitutional and illegal and is arguably grounds for impeachment because of Trump's desire to gain dictatorial powers in addition to his stated desire to delay the constitutionally mandated election.

 

Supposedly, Democrats went from $4t to $2t, but the $1t the Republicans propose is entirely inadequate. $2t isn't enough, either.

Barely enough.

Mismanaged according to whom? In what way? Who made this assessment?

Propaganda Alert!

$1t isn't nearly enough. Do the Republicans want a depression?

So what? Maybe it's symbolic, and maybe they hope to roll it over into an enduring benefit. It doesn't matter. What counts is making up for the demand deficit. If we don't, we're going to have a recession or depression.

No, they aren't because they're not stupid. There are so many unemployed that employers haven't had trouble yet finding willing unemployed.

This is not the time to get bogged down in bureaucratic red tape trying to catch cheaters. With so many people suddenly out of work, we risk a sharp economic decline if we don't get money into folks' hands.

If Republicans won't put enough money in consumer hands, they'll create a recession or depression.

 

And off topic you go. Can't make a coherent argument? Not surprised.

 

Nice projection there. I hope you don't try to apply that same kind of thinking to real life. As to your last sentence. I am and it's you.

 

It's a stunt, he doesn't have the authority to end run around congress and he knows it. It's a clever stunt for sure, and I am no fan of the man but you got to admit, the optics are something. The problem with screaming 'CONSTITUTION!' is that folks only scream it when their spider sense starts tingling when in truth very few of the screamers have ever even read it. It's not that long, should really give it a once over. Pay close attention to Article 1 Section 8, that's a good one.

 

I see your a connoisseur of the liberal media. Smells like MSNBC to me. Maybe a dash of CNN thrown in for flavor. You might as well be trying to see reality through a LSD induced hallucination.

Every Stimulus package has been held up because Nancy Pelosi has inserted her own liberal wish list. This package being negotiated now is no different. It does not matter how much money they dump into this package, there will still need to be more later. Yet, no matter how you spend it, they are nothing but blank checks that will someday have to be paid back.

On what planet? A person making minimum wage in Virginia of $7.25 per hour for 40 hours gets $290 per week. Now, that person gets laid off and is now making $600 to sit at home. How in the world is that barely enough?

According to the fact that they have to be bailed out. Not just from the losses due to the Coronavirus, but also from the shortfalls in their budgets cause by their mismanagement. I live in a small city that has been run by Democrats for the past 25 years. Every year they would produce a budget for the next fiscal year that showed revenues equal to expenditures. But every year, they would end up with a deficit. Two years ago, it got so bad that they actually have a fire engine repossessed, All their police cars are hand me downs from a neighboring city. The state had to threaten to step in and take the city into receivership if they did not straighten out. Yet, that did not stop a city councilwoman from using city budget money to set up to attend a convention. Then when the rest of the City Council vetoed the expenditure, she tried to exchange the tickets for two tickets to Jamaica for her and her husband. She was caught, and now she is the mayor. (You really can't make this stuff up.)

But that is just one small city in Virginia. Look at New York with it's $6.1 Billion Shortfall at the beginning of 2020. This was before the coronavirus was even on the US horizon. Or Chicago's $838 Million shortfall. LA $224 Million shortfall. These are what Pelosi want the Federal Government to bail out.

Prove it!!!

Do you really think that writing blank checks will stop a depression? The only way to stop a depression is to completely reopen all businesses. Until that happens, nothing will stop the downward spiral.

If business are not allowed to open in some type of normal sense of operations, then nothing will hold off a recession or depression. No matter how much money you throw at the problem, nothing will stop it. Giving people more in UI then they were making working is an idiotic way of doing business. It is not symbolic. It is an attempt to circumvent the reality that higher minimum wages cost jobs. The other reality is that they have to raise prices. That of course feed inflation. Maybe you like the idea of paying $20 for an ever shrinking Big Mac.

You were saying?
https://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2020/07/24/labor-shortage-employers-blame-the-600-unemployment-bump/

You need to go back and read what I said, because your response is not even close. I was talking about the UI extra ending, with people still sitting at home. Suddenly they are forced to get off the swollen butts and look for work. In the mean times, they do not have any money. Why? Because they thought the gravy train would last forever.

Handing out money will never, and has never created wealth. Take a look at the first stimulus checks. How many people paid off their outstanding bills with the money? Compare that to the number of big screen TV's sold. The general public is very short sighted. The Government gave them a moratorium on evictions. But that was not a free ride. Someone owes two months rent when the moratorium was enacted. It remains in place for four months. Now it is over, how much does that renter owe now? Six months rent. But what did they use the stimulus money on? A big Screen TV, Door Dash, Grub Hub. In the end the money is gone, and they are still being evicted. See what I mean about short sightedness?