Beirut explosion shatters windows across Lebanese capital

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    If you listen to Fetzer's analysis, you will learn that the AN was likely just a story. Those who supposedly sold it do not exist, those who supposedly bought it are front companies.

    Mossad is most skillful at manipulating the narrative.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/08/09/who-nuked-beirut/
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I read that Mossad's motto is: War through deception which means they had to check everything out first to make certain it wouldn't reflect on them - that is if they did bomb Beirut.

    Did you ever notice, that whenever Iran or Hezbollah threaten to do something to Israel, Netanyahu will do it to them. So when Nasrallah said in the video that he could kill 10 million Israelis by hitting the Ammonium Nitrate warehouse in Haifa, did he say it out of stupidity not realizing Netanyahu might do it to them someday, or did he do it with the hope Netanyahu would attack the warehouse in Beirut and arouse the world against Israel?

    So the question is, did Israel attack Beirut or didn't they?

    Not that it matters, what matters are the people in Syria and Lebanon. Hezbollah should disband, and Iran should get the damn hell out of Syria and Lebanon.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I think Israel knew beforehand that they could not keep this secret. They could not keep secret the nuclear events at WTC.

    It's rather difficult to disguise a nuclear event, impossible to keep it hidden from those familiar with nuclear weapons and events.

    Yes, the rank and file among the masses cannot and do not think for themselves, so they follow the lead of the mainstream media.

    This is Israel's way of thumbing its nose at the world, demonstrating they will do whatever they damn well please.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I left this video before but I was listening to it again. It is between Aaron Mate and academic and activist Rani Masri

    She believes the problems/the corruption in Lebanon's Parliament come from the sectarian State which the French set up and that this stops them having a proper democracy and civil society. Her hope is that the changes which will be made will be to end all sectarianism in the democratic process and just have a civil society with them all as equal citizens voting for who they think will do the job best regardless of their sect or lack of one.

    Here she deals with the issue of whether the problems with Israel come from Hezbollah's relationship with Israel.




     
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  5. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Eleuthera - I'm almost positive Israel did it, but unless Hezbollah ceases to exist and Iran leaves Syria, the only chance the Lebanese and Syrian people have for peace, would be to give Israel back to the Palestinians. That way Islam wouldn't be humiliated about losing its holy land and the wars would stop. Do you think Israel will? I don't!




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    for we don't really mean to harm.
    It's just that you have got to know,
    Islam's the only way to go - Jeannette


     
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    Stop this false propaganda.
    The director of security at the port informed the authorities in Beirut a few weeks ago that there are dangerous substances in the port and that it is dangerous and a disaster could occur.
    So all the lies about Israel are unnecessary.

    Protest in Lebanon is justified.
    The people are fed up of corruption and Hezbollah !!
     
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    Again ... He told this 2 years ago!!! And do you really believe that Hezbollah is so stupid to store their missiles further there when Netanyahu so open in public accuse them to have weaponsstored there, eh? Come on ...




    Have I read correctly what you write where I have marked in bold ???
    It's only been a good six months since you attacked me yourself for calling Hezbollah a terrorist, which you denied. It was also you who described the presence of Russia and Iran in Syria as well-founded and good ... where did this sudden change of heart come from ???
     
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    I did not put that article in for that reason. I put it in because of your wrong blame of Hezbollah for this and your desire to destroy them,
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nonetheless what you have said is that what needs to be done to sort out the situation is to destroy Hezbollah - that is to destroy the people who not only have the best ability to protect Lebanon but who saved Syria from becomming an ISIS state. Your are not speaking in a congruent way.
     
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    Lebanon officials are quite clear that the inquiry will look into all possible causes. People are angry because this material was left for several years.
    Rani Masri blames them all and their position of indifference. She talks about the Ports thinking it was enough just to write to the courts rather than pushing and pushing for something to be done and says that is totally the problem in Lebaon, people think they can just push issues on to someone else and forget them and this is why a new non sectarian form of Government must be put in place.

    The one thing I think that possibly was missed. The people who have been angry with their government for a very long time were of course furious that it had not protected them. How long those in Government had actually known and whether they all did know I do not know. The President said he was told only a few weeks ago....but they should have known for 6 years and that they did not and that that left a situation which turned into this is what the people, following on from the rage they already had, are expressing. However this does not mean that the Government has agreed that this was an accident as people have liked to portray and so stop possible alternative views. The president has said it was started either by accident or deliberately and that is what the inquiry will look into. On the surface it looks accidentatl but Lebanon like any other country will need to look into all possibilities and as far as is possibly rule out a deliberate foreigh attack which of course Lebanon suffers all the time. Both these issues are seperate. The anger with the state and its leaving them in such a vulnerable position will remain even if it were found that this was an outside attack as they will have put in position the foundations for it to be done.

    There is though positivity in this. My hopes are that Lebanon gets the non sectarian civil society that Rani Masri speaks of so that they can be a proper democracy in the future.
     
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    I can't find it now but the Guardian had an expert who also believed it did not look quite like AN. However when he examined all his questions as well as looking at the situation on the ground, he came to the conclusion it was. According to him and as papers were saying and I indeed said on this information AN does not give off a red colour. I noticed a day or two ago another person arguing that it likely was not AN due to this. From looking at the ground he discovered there was red sand at the site which almost certainly is what gave it the red colour and that it was AN. He went into all the different possibilities. If I find it I will put it in.

    If your belief is correct I am sure it will come out in the inquiry.
     
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    Right.....us masses who cannot recognize a Nuke by it's mushroom, only a few men are able, thank God they all hate Israel :)

    I mean that btw, thank God you work for the other side :)
     
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    I think ppl would be better off if they wake the **** up and realize these are not the 60's any more...
     
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    Speaking about "skillful at manipulating the narrative", here is the objective comment by your "expert":
    "As for the Israelis, their mathematical genius shows them that Jewish life has a value approximating to infinity, while non-Jewish life has a value approximating to zero. So mass murdering the goyim, especially Arabs and Muslims (whose lives they suspect of actually having a negative value) adds up to “fully kosher.”

    I am Israeli and you know that great ball of rage inside your chest ? I don't have it, I don't judge ppl according to their race, religion or place of birth - only some ppl do that and they are all pricks, Left Right Liberal or Fascist, haters are haters and think the rest of the world also ticks according to the same hatred when if fact its just each other **** they consume, it's really is a sad waste of life.
     
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    How will you learn anything new if you keep looking at the things you know, I'm not saying Hizbulla are done in Lebanon but at least hear the ppl that speak against them.
     
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    After Israel gave up all the rules of law regarding care of civilians and proportionality during her 2006 war against Lebanon, all of Lebanon saw Hezbollah as theirs. I had a friend on the internet who was there at the time, I think working as a war photographer though she was brought up in Lebanon but now lives in France. She said Israel dropped leaflets telling all the people to leave as she was going to bomb and then when the people left in a convoy she bombed them anyway. Hezbollah got its support in Lebanon due to Israel's treatment of the people of Lebanon. Israel does this to everyone. Thinks - actually once I came upon the paper the people who created the Dajiya Doctrine produced to sell why it should become Israeli Doctrine. They knew it was against International law against the internationally accepted rules of war.....however they believed that because of 9/11 the US would hopefully start acting like this as well and so they would get away with it. It could be said that Israel was first there at the end of the West acting according to principles which were brought in after WW2 - many of them to make sure what happened to Jews never happened to anyone else.

    I am perfectly aware that there are different groups in Lebanon. After 2006 just about the entire Arab world loved Hezbollah. This of course did not go down with the Sauds. When the people of Lebanon have a non sectarian government they will decide for themselves. I quoted what one academics opinion is. It is silly to believe that Hezbollah is not widely accepted in Lebanon and that after your illegal treatment of the people in Lebanon in 2006 you even lost the support of the Christian Marionites. The sectarian thing in Lebanon is well past it's sell by date. My friend was an atheist but she had to call herself a Christian and hence could only look for help from the Christian part of the Parliament. Masri speaks about this happening all the time and being what allows the corruption in Parliament and stops Lebaonon being a democracy. All that will end assuming they get the needed changes and people can vote according to their conscience.
     
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  18. Jeannette

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    My desire is to stop the suffering of the people of Lebanon and Syria, and that cannot happen as long as Hezbollah exists and Iran is in Syria.
     
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    Alexa - Democracy cannot exist with Islam. They are two opposing doctrines. I heard a Muslim say that if they are not in the majority, then they consider themselves under persecution. Once Islam attains the majority, which they are trying to do through a higher birth rate, then they can establish their own institutions and laws, and impose 'dhimmitude' on others. It's part of their faith.

    Until then though, they project and believe that they themselves are in a state of 'dhimmitude'. That's why they consider themselves and their faith as being humiliated.

    A few weeks ago when Erdogan turned the ancient Church of Aghia Sophia in Istanbul from a museum to a mosque, it was cheered by Muslims all over the Islamic world. He said the next mosque to be freed will be the Al Acqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. In other words Israel will be gone.

    The opening of the mosque of Aghia Sophia was on the anniversary of the signing of the Lausanne Treaty which Erdogan is now rejecting. He was telling the world that Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Egypt, Greece, Israel etc., no longer exist and that they will now revert back to the Ottoman Empire and the Islamic world.

    The opening of the mosque was cheered throughout the Muslim world, and attended by leaders from every Islamic country. When the Imam officiated, he held the sword representing the conquest of Islam over Christianity.
     
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    Thanks for the thoughts. Have you any thoughts on the fate of the USS Liberty?
     
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    It was Nuked so scare off the jellyfish ?

    Or are you on a vengeance quest ? saying crazy outrageous things to hurt Israel
     
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    Well I hope what you say isn't true regarding deliberate bombing of a convoy but if you have link I'll be happy to read, in any case we never pretended to be Lebanon's friends, they made a choice of fighting Israel by accepting hizbullah and taking on a much wider agenda of "freeing all of Palestine", in the post before you quoted someone who said in order for Lebanon to live free they have to free Palestine, I disagree and so do many Lebanese but its the formal position of the Lebanese Gov and as such we must treat them as an enemy country - even thou we could just live in peace instead.
    But that's not the issue at hand, the issue here is Hizbullah as an org. leading Lebanon and what ppl are saying about them
    So what changes do you think they should have ?

    I think now, since their economic crisis and this disaster, ppl are less timid from an Israeli invasion and more concern about their daily lives, so the loved heroes agenda becomes a threat, this disaster happened because they stashed explosives with no concern in the harbor, they correctly assumed Israel wont bomb there so it makes sense in a military point of view to keep it there, I think that's the change the Lebanese want to make in their Parliament but probably wont go to civil war over it.
     
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    I think you're mistaking me for someone else. Either that or you are misinterpreting my words. I don't see anything as black and white - but I do believe that Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state. As for Russia, well their relationship in Syria goes back to the time of the Tsars. They have also been a positive presence in Syria.. For example, they contributed Chechyan Sunni guards to the deconfliction zones, as well as border guards between Israel and Syria. They also have a relationship with Israel, since 1/3 of the people are Russian.

    Lavrov negotiated quite a few peace deals over the years between the different factions in Syria. It was not an easy task considering that Washington, Israel, Turkey, KSA, and Qatar were supporting the terrorists, and were doing everything in their power to keep the fighting going on. Also in contrast to Washington that blackmails with sanctions so people can suffer, Russia has been sending food and medical supplies to Syria.

    As for Iran, they have been helping Assad and fighting the terrorists in Syria, but they also want to take over Israel, so there is no way the Syrian people will have peace as long as the Iranians as well as the Americans are there. Maybe if Iran leaves the US will stick to its word and leave too. Who knows?
     
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    You are just promoting the same argument which I have shown is wrong.
     
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    Jeanette your problem is that you look on Muslims in a very prejudiced way. You want to stereotype them into everthing beneath yourself. John Keane, if he is not retired, Professor of Political Science at Sydney University believes that Muslims had the first democracy before even the Greeks and indeed I can remember when the BBC created a 3 part documentary on the Life of Muhamned that something similar was suggested.

    The people of Lebanon in general are wanting all the sectarian stuff put in the bucket and a genuine civil democracy. If you start looking you will find it is being spoken about all over the place. It does not say - except Muslims. The way Lebanon has been set up has allowed for outsiders to use them as proxies. Interestingly I was just watching a video clip where secular people were marching for Hezbhollah in Lebanon and Nasrallah put his foot in it by siding with the Government. I guess he was pretty much in a no win place because if he had not he would have been accused of encouraging revolution or something. The Government will not want to lose its power that is true. The Saud's will not want to lose the control they have left that is true. That is why they kidnapped Saad al-Hariri. Lebanon is very vulnerable to all these different factions and the best way they can free themselves is to get rid of sectarianism from Politics. It is most certainly not against Islam to act in a democratic way never mind the reality that half the Muslims in Lebanon are probably athiests like the Christians.
     
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