WALSH: George Floyd Bodycam Footage Is Out. We Weren't Told The Full Truth.

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by yabberefugee, Aug 4, 2020.

  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2017
    Messages:
    20,620
    Likes Received:
    8,982
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How is the Fed supposed to come up with an extra trillion to bail out Democrat failed states?
     
  2. FivepointFive

    FivepointFive Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2017
    Messages:
    2,754
    Likes Received:
    684
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I guess our grandchildren are broke already. Welcome to Socialism

    Maryland has a Republican Governor and we are doing quite well
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2020
  3. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Did you intend to quote me in that post?
     
  4. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2015
    Messages:
    12,410
    Likes Received:
    2,689
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Floyd's autopsy confirmed that he hadn't used drugs ...
    And the technique of kneeling with your knee on the other's neck is highly illegal! It is correct and legal to press the knee on the back in the area of the cross!
    Apart from that, Floyd had his hands handcuffed behind his back and a cop is not able to calm the man down in any other way, especially since the cop wasn't alone either, eh?

    The police officers in Germany are in one of the police academies throughout their training. The training also includes internships lasting several weeks, where these are then assigned to a police station for 2 or 3 weeks in order to deepen what has been learned in the academy with practical everyday life. Only after completing their training, i.e. after 2.5 to 3 years, do they become full-fledged police officers and then take up their job in one of the police stations. Here they are then placed at the side of an experienced police officer with a training license.

    It is correct that there are of course more guns in the USA than in Germany ... although, according to official figures, there are around 40 million legal and illegal guns in Germany with 83 million inhabitants ... so around 1 gun for every 2 inhabitants approximately. But this is a lame number, because many have several legal guns ... for example have legal huntsmen ot only 1 hunting rifle but about 5 to 10 in average.

    The gun law in Germany is also completely different than in the USA. First of all, we have no constitutional right to a gun ... on the contrary! You have to provide proof of a need for a gun, which is not easy ... and even alarm guns that only make you "bang" and nothing else, require a small license that you have to apply for and where you are screened for criminal offenses, etc.
    In addition, the vast majority of the population does not really see the need for their own gun ... or rather it only sees the beginning of a spiral of violence, because if I have a gun for defense then the perpetrator certainly has one too and if I am willing to use them, then the finger on the trigger sits very loosely ... The image of the police in the population is also different than in the USA ...
     
    Ddyad likes this.
  5. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2020
    Messages:
    9,738
    Likes Received:
    8,378
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yeah, yeah, great take of yours... Does it justify kneeling on his neck for 8 minutes? There are other body parts one can pin down instead of the vital neck, through which essential life elements travel (air for the lungs, blood for the brain). It's not rocket science. Kneel forcefully on someone's neck for 8 minutes, the person will die. QED by Floyd's death. This is true regardless of someone's consumed intoxicants. Kneel this way on someone's neck for 8 minutes even if the person is young and healthy and totally clean of drugs, and the person will die, too.
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2020
    Ddyad and Mandelus like this.
  6. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Okay, so you haven't actually watched the video, in which Floyd can be heard yelling, "I CAN'T BREATH" BEFORE the knee on his neck. I just assumed that you had seen the video.

    Yeah, I'm saying that it most definitely could still be murder regardless of this new footage.
    My point is that the footage gives us a different perspective to what we were told. Surely you could admit that IF you saw it, which it doesn't appear that you have.

    I dunno - wouldn't it be more reckless endangerment or manslaughter?
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2020
    Ddyad likes this.
  7. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Well presumably the other option is manslaughter.
     
  8. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    9,856
    Likes Received:
    3,831
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What are you talking about, Floyd killed HIMSELF when he resisted arrested, there's no corruption here, these cops didn't know Floyd from Adam. Floyd was struggling so hard it took 3 cops to restrain him, probably because he was high on drugs. They sat him in a police car and he started smashing it up, hence why they restrained him. No one murdered anyone and it is not excuse to riot.

    Welcome to the BLM backlash, you'll find out all about it on 3rd November,
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2020
  9. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    9,856
    Likes Received:
    3,831
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No, you can't say "I won't arrest anyone because they might be high on drugs and have underlying health conditions that might kill them", the cops did call an ambulance.

    No one was murdered, Floyd killed himself, period, end of story.
     
  10. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    9,856
    Likes Received:
    3,831
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    WRONG! It confirmed not only that but he had a heart condition, Covid 19 and sickle cell. The police used a legal technique which they had been taught at their academy. So essentially you admit I'm right, police training in Germany is little different to the rest of the world, they do time in the academy but also deploy for hands on training on the street. Gun crime in Germany is negligible compared to the US. The murder rate in Germany is 1.18 per 100,000, in the US it's 5.0.

    The population in the US has a different attitude and the police reflect it, without going into stereotypes Germans are overwhelmingly law abiding with a great respect for authority.
     
  11. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2018
    Messages:
    9,856
    Likes Received:
    3,831
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    He didn't kneel continually, training says you ease off pressure which he did. When it comes to the trial I fully expect lots of expert testimony in this regard and demonstrations in the court where it is proven you can apply that technique with no ill effects.
     
  12. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2013
    Messages:
    41,184
    Likes Received:
    16,180
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No, it would be first-degree murder. If you are reliably informed that someone will die if you keep on doing something that physically threatens their life and you keep on doing it then that informing and continuance constitutes premeditation, NOT depraved indifference.

    I saw the footage and it appeared irrelevant at first. On reflection, it did give me a different perspective. It clearly convicted the cop of first-degree murder, NOT manslaughter.

    But then again I am not trying hard to get a white cop off for killing a black
     
    Ddyad likes this.
  13. Observing

    Observing Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2016
    Messages:
    3,321
    Likes Received:
    910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes, that is my point. Police procedure is to call rescue whenever a detainee whether arrested or not complains of a medical condition. They did not call it in until he was un-responsive. Bolshevik media would like the cop to be exonerated, then riots would occur. Right now he is just one more killed by cops, if he goes to trial and is not prosecuted aggressively and found not guilty or gets 2 years is when the rabble rousers will be in full force. Cops have the toughest job to do, and in 90% of these cases I want to side with a cop making a mistake in the heat of the moment and suck it up as a part of trying to keep us safe. But this was a white collar type non violent crime that was committed and the act of violence shown to the perp was taken place over a mins not a split second decision.
    Cops can not commit crimes either. Remember the rodney king riots were much worse after the cops were exonerated than they were for the beating itself.
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2020
    Ddyad and Aleksander Ulyanov like this.
  14. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2015
    Messages:
    23,895
    Likes Received:
    7,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And no amount of rioting ever seems to do any good for the community doing the rioting. So why do they even bother persisting with failed approaches? Why do they not learn them from their mistakes of the past and recognize the utter futility of it all?
     
    Ddyad likes this.
  15. NightOwl

    NightOwl Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2020
    Messages:
    2,812
    Likes Received:
    3,088
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No they wont. The autopsy says you are wrong. The facts of the case say you are wrong and the video evidence says you are wrong. Ergo you are wrong.

    End of discussion.
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2020
  16. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2017
    Messages:
    18,135
    Likes Received:
    13,224
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Has anyone answered the question: If a person can't breathe, how can he say that he can't breathe?
     
    Reasonablerob and Ddyad like this.
  17. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    To be fair, someone saying that they can't breath, means that they can't breath PROPERLY.
     
  18. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2017
    Messages:
    20,620
    Likes Received:
    8,982
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Rioters need to be handled for what they are......not peaceful demonstrators. That is why we have destruction. We do not prosecute cops as sacrificial lambs to prevent rioting. We prosecute those in the act of destruction.
    It puzzles me why more and more property owners do not use their 2nd amendment rights in defence of their property.
     
  19. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2015
    Messages:
    23,895
    Likes Received:
    7,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Since law enforcement officers are being ordered to stand down and not intervene, there is no reason for such to not be done. What is going to happen, is law enforcement going to suddenly disobey direct orders and begin enforcing the law again?
     
    yabberefugee and Ddyad like this.
  20. grapeape

    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2015
    Messages:
    16,812
    Likes Received:
    9,326
    Trophy Points:
    113
    FFS, do you understand what "asphyxiation from sustained pressure" is ? The brain was starved of oxygen, so it caused the heart to try to beat harder, which killed Floyd. He died of a heart attack CAUSED by asphyxiation.

    You're embarrassing yourself. You're busy making this a political statement, because you don't grasp the basic facts of the case. Watch the video and tell me again when one of the officers tells the other they "can't find a pulse", that the first officer keeps his knee on his neck, that that is in any way acceptable ? Stop trying to justify what the police did. Your the one making it about race. I am making it about the HUMAN
     
  21. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2015
    Messages:
    53,268
    Likes Received:
    25,271
    Trophy Points:
    113
    LEOs will end up in jail if the disobey direct orders.
    Yet another reason to delegate responsibility for law enforcement to an armed public backed up by deputy sheriffs led by an elected sheriff.
     
  22. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2015
    Messages:
    53,268
    Likes Received:
    25,271
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The new audio offsets media coverage that has convinced many that the officers acted with extreme malice. It will weaken the prosecution's case. Ellison should have released it early on.
    Nevertheless, from everything we know so far, I still think Floyd was murdered, but a prosecutor that gets caught sitting on exculpatory evidence helps the defense.
     
  23. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2015
    Messages:
    53,268
    Likes Received:
    25,271
    Trophy Points:
    113
    IOW, He should have said: 'Officers, I am having trouble breathing now. If you compress my neck for 8 minutes I will die - just so you know. Thanks for listening."

    We should all have a card with that notice in our pockets at all times from now on.
     
  24. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2020
    Messages:
    9,738
    Likes Received:
    8,378
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Well, that supposed easing of the pressure didn't go that well, did it now? Given that the guy did die... and was immobile for several minutes but the cop kept the knee there.
     
  25. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2015
    Messages:
    23,895
    Likes Received:
    7,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Then it is his fault for having chosen to physically resist arrest in the first place.

    Do not commit crimes, do not resist arrest, do not get killed in the process. It is hardly that difficult of a concept to understand.
     

Share This Page