Trump’s campaign knocks on a million doors a week. Biden’s knocks on zero.

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  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, but this is total Bullcrap what you write!

    China played as open and fair as never before with it and this is fact!

    AND THE REAL AND MORE IMPORTANT FACT IS that Trump implements a travel ban but allowed all US citizens and all those with calid green card to come back from Chiny to the US.
    Nothing against it in general ... but why the hack not a single one of these many thousands of people was tested by the custom border control at the airport etc. or put in a two-week quarantine ... NOT A SINGLE ONE!
    Because Trump did not make such an order and only he is responsible for doing something like that, nobody else!
    The protection of your borders is only a federal matter and this protection of the borders not only includes building an idiotic wall towards Mexico, but also preventing potentially infected people from coming into your country unhindered and then infecting everyone else ... no matter if US citizen or not!

    Conclusion: Thank your God for Trump's total inability and incompetence in dealing with the virus, that it hit you so badly!

    COVIDIOT TRUMP!
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Your mean where @MrTLegal showed IDENTICAL importance when it comes to actually VOTING in 2020?

    https://today.yougov.com/topics/pol...7/31/reality-check-trump-biden-enthusiasm-gap

    Also worth noting that there are MORE Dems (31%) than Republicans (25%) so looks like Biden is still AHEAD.

    But don't let the FACTS stop you from BELIEVING that the American electorate want another 4 years of utter CHAOS, FAILURE and INCOMPETENCE just like the last 4.
     
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    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Not to forget these thousands of spread fake news, lies andhalf truths ;-)
     
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  4. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Again you are fake news.

    Trump started quarantines and the travel ban on Feb. 2nd. Medical screens started at the end of January.

    This included testing (non specific testing at the time, for general signs of acute viral illness) AND 14 day quarantine.

    Biden was attacking Trump for this in march, over 2 months later-calling Trump xenophobic. He was truly the slowest of the slow, governors implemented bans before he did. I wrote about this repeatedly in the Covid forum. Go and check.

    He also said Trump needed to verify earlier what was going on in China. Trump offered to send US experts to China in January-China refused and later allowed only the WHO, which we later found out was more or less a corrupt organ of China.

    By April dementia Biden came out in favor of the travel ban and WHO, but claimed Trump needed to be "tougher on China"-Keep in mind he's China's preferred candidate according to Nancy Pelosi a few days back, and his son received huge sums of money from China, and that we have decades of Biden praising China.

    Biden is inept, he just mumbles things, and it shows.

    Some videos for you to view...





     
  5. US Conservative

    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol so not only do you not understand what highly enthusiastic means, as per ABC's polls that show the gap widening in Trumps favor posted by none other than Mr.T legal, but you actually think the opposite is true.

    Look man I can't teach you logic or how to read basic polls-and Im ok with that.

    Believe what you'd like-and I will see you in November.

    I suspect at that time I will try to explain it again to you, and you will wont get it and refuse to investigate any further.
     
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    Putting aside your PUERILE ad homs and flamebaiting let me explain this to you in simple terms.

    It does NOT matter if you have 10 people or 10 million people who are "wildly enthusiastic" about your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief...

    BECAUSE...

    there are way MORE people who want to FLUSH him OUT of the Oval office!

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politic...s-biden-on-most-personal-traits-major-issues/

    [​IMG]

    This is where the electorate stood at the end of June and it has probably moved even FURTHER away from your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief since then.

    [​IMG]

    ALL of those metrics above SUPPORT my position and NEGATE your pretense that "enthusiasm" is going to turn this around in the next 10+ weeks.

    When the electorate is polled on WHO is better at handling the issues facing the nation the choice is Biden.

    [​IMG]

    FACTS matter!
     
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    I get a laugh about this now ... you make realy my day!

    And why the hack was no American one tested? Because there were no tests existing first and then not enough!?
    And why was no American one send to quarantaine? Because the CBC did not even test temperature of the people if having heat etc.!?

    tell me how many tests were done and how many send into quarantaine please!

    Anyway some fact check about the nonsense you write about Biden here...

    What Did Trump say...

    Source:
    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/trumps-misleading-comments-on-biden-and-the-coronavirus/


    Trump, July 14: [Biden] opposed my very strict travel ban on Chinese nationals to stop the spread of the China virus. He was totally against it. “Xenophobic,” he called me. “Xenophobic.” A month later, he admitted I was right.

    We would’ve had thousands of people additionally die if we let people come in from heavily-infected China. But we stopped it; we did a travel ban in January. Nancy Pelosi was dancing on the streets of Chinatown in San Francisco a month later, and even later than that, and others too. They all thought what I did was a terrible mistake. …

    And I was a crowd of one, because even experts didn’t want to do it. They thought it was a mistake. … And we saved tens of thousands of lives, but we actually saved millions of lives by closing — by closing up, we saved millions, potentially millions of lives. Could be — a number that we’re actually working on — but it could be 2- to 3 million lives. …. But if we had listened to Joe Biden, hundreds of thousands of additional lives would have been lost.

    We’ll examine the errors one by one.

    Not a “travel ban.” First, as he repeatedly does, the president incorrectly describes the action that he took regarding travel from China, where the coronavirus was discovered last December. As we have previously reported, it wasn’t a “travel ban.”

    On Jan. 31, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar announced that certain non-U.S. citizens who have traveled to China within the last two weeks would be barred from entering the United States. U.S. citizens and permanent residents and their immediate families were exempt from the restrictions.

    A New York Times story on April 4 found that nearly 40,000 people had flown on direct flights from China to the United States in the two months after the travel restrictions went into effect on Feb. 2. So this was hardly a ban.

    Impact of travel restrictions. As he has before, Trump said that the travel restrictions “saved tens of thousands of lives.” But as we reported, there is no evidence to support this, and the White House has provided none.

    The few studies that have been done estimate travel restrictions the United States and other countries enacted on China had modest impacts, slowing the initial spread outside of China but not containing the coronavirus pandemic. Past studies also have found travel restrictions could delay the path of the spread of diseases, but do little to contain them.

    We found no study that looked only at the U.S. travel restrictions Trump instituted, and we found only one study, which wasn’t peer-reviewed, on Australia, that found an impact on decreasing the number of deaths — but the study had a major limitation. It didn’t consider any impact of cases coming to Australia from other countries besides China.

    As we’ve written, it’s possible the U.S. travel restrictions on China had some impact in slowing the importation of cases, but we don’t have evidence of that, or of what the magnitude of the impact would be.

    Biden supported China travel restrictions. Trump charged without evidence or elaboration that if he had listened to Biden, “hundreds of thousands of additional lives would have been lost.” We asked the White House what he was referring to, but it provided no response, nor did the Trump campaign.

    It seems likely the president was referring to the travel restrictions, since he said that Biden “opposed my very strict travel ban.” In fact, Biden took no position on the China restrictions when they were implemented.


    On March 12, Biden tweeted:



    As we have written, Biden’s campaign said on April 3 that Biden backed Trump’s decision to impose travel restrictions on China.

    “Joe Biden supports travel bans that are guided by medical experts, advocated by public health officials, and backed by a full strategy,” Kate Bedingfield, Biden’s deputy campaign manager, told CNN. “Science supported this ban, therefore he did too.”

    Biden called Trump “xenophobic.” Trump is right that Biden called him xenophobic. But Biden didn’t make clear why he said that. The Biden campaign has said that was not in connection with the China travel restrictions.

    As we have written, on the day the White House announced the restrictions, Biden said at a campaign event in Iowa that as the pandemic unfolds, Americans “need to have a president who they can trust what he says about it, that he is going to act rationally about it.” He added, “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia – hysterical xenophobia – and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.”

    The Biden campaign says Biden’s “reference to xenophobia was about Trump’s long record of scapegoating others at a time when the virus was emerging from China,” and that he was not talking about the travel rules.

    HHS experts backed restrictions. Trump is also incorrect, as we have written, when he says that when it came to the travel restrictions, “I was a crowd of one, because even experts didn’t want to do it.”

    HHS Secretary Azar told reporters on Feb. 7, “The travel restrictions that we put in place in consultation with the president were very measured and incremental. These were the uniform recommendations of the career public health officials here at HHS.”

    “Closing up” saved lives. We don’t know whether Trump is on target when he says that the lockdowns imposed by many states may have saved “millions” of lives. A study by researchers at the University of California, Berkeley published on June 8 in the journal Nature found that lockdowns had prevented 60 million infections in the United States.

    The study didn’t say how many lives were saved, but the lead researcher, Solomon Hsiang, did say the benefits of the lockdown are in a sense invisible because they reflect “infections that never occurred and deaths that did not happen.” A study by researchers at the Imperial College London estimated lockdowns saved about 3.1 million lives in 11 European countries.

    Columbia University researchers concluded that 36,000 fewer deaths from the coronavirus would have occurred if the U.S. had imposed social distancing one week earlier in March.

    Pelosi in Chinatown. Finally, Trump is wrong when he once again says House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was “dancing on the streets of Chinatown” well after he imposed his travel restrictions. Trump has repeatedly falsely described Pelosi’s trip to Chinatown.

    As we have written, Pelosi traveled to Chinatown on Feb. 24 in an effort to bolster the neighborhood’s restaurants and shops. Their business had fallen sharply in the wake of the onset of the novel coronavirus pandemic, which as we said originated in China.

    The visit came three weeks before six Bay Area counties implemented shelter-in-place restrictions. On the day of Pelosi’s visit, Trump tweeted this about the virus: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

    For a time Pelosi’s visit became a staple in Trump’s remarks. He variously described her as holding a “rally” in Chinatown, having or wanting to have “parties” or a “street party” there, and encouraging people to go to a “big parade.” In May, Trump shifted to references to Pelosi “dancing in the streets of San Francisco in Chinatown.” None of these things ever happened. She was interviewed as she shopped.

    RESULT:

    Next fake news destroyed frm Trump corner!
     
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  8. US Conservative

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    First of all I made no ad hom attack or flame bait.

    Secondly you post a graph showing a sharp decline from both dems and republicans in early 2020, regarding the direction of the country.

    Hmm, what happened in early 2020 that could have done that? Could it have been the China virus? Could it have been people losing their jobs? Toilet paper rationing?

    What about the continuous and sustained rioting, looting, and terrorism by groups like antifa and BLM? Are you happy with that?

    You are just posting anything in a hope to bolster your case, its seemingly random and does not account for other factors.

    The fundamentals remain-Trump supporters have over double Bidens enthusiasm (which is a record low, as in the lowest recorded) and they are knocking on a million doors a week, biden supporters aren't knocking on any.

    BTW voter enthusiasm typically rises as an election nears, so its possible Biden's will cease to be the lowest ever recorded, but since Trump has almost double that number-Im not worried about it.
     
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    You actually just did.
     
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    All of those happened under Trump's watch.

    And you shouldn't be worried about the enthusiasm for Biden. You should be worried about the fact that an outright majority of Americans strongly disapprove of Trump and that he can do absolutely nothing to earn their support.
     
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    He is pointing out something that I established to you multiple times now without you disproving the claim in any way, shape, or form.

    "Enthusiasm to support" is not the same as "Enthusiasm to vote." The percentage difference between the Biden voters and the Trump voters who enthusiastic to vote is not statistically different and the reason why is because while Trump supporter's may be more likely to show up and vote for their candidate, Biden supporters are equally likely to show up and defeat Trump.
     
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    There were no tests because it was a NEW virus. It took time to develop one.

    China claimed to have a test but it was something like 50 percent sensitive, which means its useless as a screen. In that case, other signs of acute viral infection were evaluated like acute lyphocytosis, or leukopenia.

    I posted in the covid forum the newest info as it came out for medical providers.

    Here it is today...with a lot more info. https://www.wikem.org/wiki/COVID-19

    Here is something you probably don't know-testing is not imperative in the treatment of this disease, like most acute viral conditions. Its helpful for tracking by health departments and the CDC, its useful in fast tracking additional therapies and isolation-but as a general rule the treatments are symptomatic (ex if the pt's o2 levels drop, take measures in increase it). Anti viral drugs may slow or limit viral replication, but they work on many other viri as well.

    The travel "ban" is just a term describing the limiting of travel from China-which it did.

    This is cited as the most critical intervention even by the CDC-remember we were told 2 million would die and even at that point Biden was only slowly figuring things out.

    Besides, dems had no problem using the term "muslim ban" when it clearly did not limit travel from most muslim countries. So again, bogus.

    Im not going to step through the rest of your CNN damage control for Biden article that you linked to through a fact check (ha) website.
     
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    Im not going to run in circles with you, we already discussed this.

    See you in November.
     
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    Your "discussion" consistent of a "nuh uh" with zero proof or analysis.

    "Enthusiasm to support" is not the only way to predict likelihood that you will vote. Another metric - which has shown a greater degree of predictability - is "enthusiasm to vote" and there, the difference is non-existent.
     
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    Sure, go with that if you want to keep your understanding of the Chinese virus contained in your little bubble of Trump butthurt.

    In your angry little bubble, while the entire planet has to deal with the horror that China unleashed.

    The Chinese virus.
     
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    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Didn't you say earlier in the thread you don't care if racist is the proper term? :applause:
     
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    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Cool story bro.
     
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    Indeed.

    I think one reason Trump's voter enthusiasm is over twice Biden's is because people not only support Trump but also remember the dems various schemes recently...

    [​IMG]
     
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    I was actually taking issue with the notion that you just made up the claim that Biden called Trump's partial travel ban xenophobic.
     
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    Kneejerk DENIALISM on your part NEGATED by the FACTS!

    This is what you actually posted;

    That is a Flamebaiting ad hom because it implies that I do not know logic nor how to read polls.

    :roflol:

    Oh the IRONY coming from someone who just accused others of NOT being able to read polls or use logic.

    The first chart shows the DRAMATIC decline among Republicans which explains WHY so many are ABANDONING him which means that it is ONLY those that REMAIN that have any "enthusiasm".

    The second chart is HOW the electorate would have VOTED had the election been held at the end of June and it demonstrates Biden WINNING by 10% which translates into over 15 MILLION more votes thereby WIPING out your "enthusiasm" hopes.

    The third chart show that on ALL issues Biden is either within the MoE or AHEAD of your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief which AGAIN negates your "enthusiasm" drivel.

    :roflol:

    Your FIXATION on the MEANINGLESS metric of "enthusiasm" will be NEGATED by the MASSIVE losses of actual VOTERS who have ABANDONED your party and your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief because they can no longer stand the STENCH of his RACISM and his INCOMPETENT criminal regime that is HARMING We the People.

    You are GRASPING at STRAWS in sheer desperation because every other metric demonstrates that Biden is going to beat your wannabe Fascist-in-Chief like a drum in November.
     
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    The logic necessary to take all of that **** which happened during Trump's tenure to be blamed on individuals who are not the President...whew....

    This is the reason why that man can get away with always playing the victim card.
     
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    So to make a nail on it ... because it is no discussion about testing itself and how good or bad the tests are ...

    Were these about 40,000 Americans (or more) and green card people coming back from China tested to have Corona as yu claimed with your other post or not?

    The answer is a clear No ... because there were no tests existing!

    Were these people checked and anyone who was not so obviously ill that a blind persn can see it, put into quarantaine for 14 days to be sure that he has not been infected in China?

    The answer is a clear No ...

    So again: To implement a travel ban to secure the American people against the bad virus .... but then let in 40,000 people coming from China without any test and not everyone put under quranataine is a big mistake and right this cause the fat spread of Corona in the USA really in the aftermath!
    And who is guilty for it? Trump and no one else!
     
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    O ... you really confirm that you believe the Trump propanda BS that China is guilty and so on? Wow ... go with that lies in your I lick Trump's butt and believe him everything BS bubble insteed getting facts and not ... how Trump called his lies once? Ah ... alternative truth!

    The COVIDIOT Trump ... the only one responsible for the COVID-19 disaster in the USA!
     
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    There's a world outside your angry little bubble. You may not care about it, but the Chinese virus is worldwide, billions of people are dealing with it, and it's far, far bigger problem than your little tiny obsession with hating one single man on a planet that's dealing with a pandemic that began in China. I know your burning hatred of Trump seems like a gigantic problem inside your little bubble, but it's just not.

    But you go ahead and keep your understanding of the Chinese virus very, very small if that's what helps you cope.
     
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