Question For John Atheist: Don't You Want To Remember Your Good Deeds Forever?

And I thank God for the truth of that.
That's a good thing.
Mercy and Grace is always better than Destruction.
Its called "11th hour" repentance.
___

What would you prefer?
That the evil man NOT be allowed to repent?
___

You ever hear of Karla Faye Tucker?
She was a Texas axe murderer that hacked up I think 2 people.
Long story short: Karla Faye Tucker, on death Row, became a
beautiful glowing Christian and all who knew her gave testimony
to the fact that she became a beautiful changed person.

George W. Bush refused to spare her life and she was executed
in Texas, but beautiful and glowing to the very end.

Best.

JAG

 

Not much to say to you WillReadMore,
You IGNORE all that is presented to you, and proceed to post
as if the following had not been presented:

Once again, you are incorrect.
Once again, you ignored the post you "responded" to.
Once again, you refused to face the facts presented to you.
Here they are once again:

There will be Heroic Remembrance in Heaven. The best example
of that is the heroics that was clearly demonstrated by the Lord
Jesus when He said to His Father "not my will, but Thy will be done" '
when He was faced with the cruel death of crucifixion on the Cross.
That heroic deed will be remembered for all Eternity.
WillReadMore, are you going to tell me that what I
just wrote is NOT correct?

So will the heroic deeds of the Apostle Paul, who received 195 lashes
on his back from people who hated Christianity and the gospel message.
Paul said that he received the 40 lashes minus one on 5 separate
occasions.{5 X 39 = 195} Paul could have quit. But he did NOT
quit. That is heroic. That will be remembered for all Eternity.
WillReadMore, are you going to tell me that what I
just wrote is NOT correct?


Can you explain to me why you are continuing to ignore and
continuing to deny the facts right in front of you?.

Best.

JAG


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Once I'm dead I won't give a rat's patoot...

What good would it do me (me being dead and all) for anyone to remember me?


I guess I don't commit the "sin" of PRIDE....

 

I sincerely thank you for your comments and for your tone.
Much appreciated.
Yes I am hearing from the "more vocal folk" and I have reached the
conclusion that Secularism is at War with Theism at least in threads
on Forums on the Internet At Large ---but its not that "big a deal
to me -- I mean I'm not "on a Crusade" or anything like that. I
may do 1 or 2 OP's on it --but that's 'bout it.
{Of course, in this section of the Forum, the subject of
atheism seems to be popular.}

Best.

JAG

 

You don't KNOW you will not live forever , , somewhere.
You don't KNOW you will not give a rat's butt.
If you say you do know, that's a Faith belief.
You can't prove it either way.
Also , ,
On your lights what difference does it make if you,
or anyone else, commits the sin of pride?
On your lights humans are just another life form, right?
~ Human
~ Rat
~ Mouse
~ Bug
~ Housefly
~ Roach
~ House Plant
~ Mosquito
~ Pig
~ Cow
~ Road Kill
~ Turtle
~ Hog
~ Peat Moss
~ Snake
~ atheists
~ Humanity


JAG

 

There is another "fact of the matter" and that is you do not know
that when you die that you will not live on and be fully conscious
somewhere. You have no possible way of knowing that you will
not.

_________

What about this?
What did you decide?

There will be Heroic Remembrance in Heaven. The best example
of that is the heroics that was clearly demonstrated by the Lord
Jesus when He said to His Father "not my will, but Thy will be done" '
when He was faced with the cruel death of crucifixion on the Cross.
That heroic deed will be remembered for all Eternity.
WillReadMore, are you going to tell me that what I
just wrote is NOT correct?

So will the heroic deeds of the Apostle Paul, who received 195 lashes
on his back from people who hated Christianity and the gospel message.
Paul said that he received the 40 lashes minus one on 5 separate
occasions.{5 X 39 = 195} Paul could have quit. But he did NOT
quit. That is heroic. That will be remembered for all Eternity.
WillReadMore, are you going to tell me that what I
just wrote is NOT correct?


Can you explain to me why you are continuing to ignore and
continuing to deny the facts right in front of you?.


JAG

 

And the 9/11 bombers got to be treated as heroes and lots of virgins, Christianity needs to up its offer!

 

In the Bible what you call "rememberance" is called "judgement". Pretending it is something else is not consistent with Christianity.

Claiming that life forms live on after death is an amazing fantasy for which there is absolutely no evidence. The Bible includes it as somthing that must be taken on faith alone. I see no justification for investing in that fantasy.

The claim that you have presented facts related to your cliams is clearly false.

 

JAG Wrote:
"As a human being, don't you know that, with regard to your
ultimate destiny, you rise way above a Bug?"___JAG

Swensson Replied:

That's your Secular Humanism.
That's what it means to be a Secular Humanist.
It means that you can and will admit that you do
do NOT know, with regard to ultimate destiny,
that you as a human being, rise way above a
Bug.

___________

So?

So since that is the truth, we ought to get
the truth out to the whole world. Why hide it?

Tell it. Spread the word. Let all of Humanity
know what Secular Humanism really is.

We need to have your message put on the
side of busses. And put in full page adds in
major newspapers. Tell the truth. Let all of
humanity come to fully know and fully understand
that Secular Humanism does NOT know that
with regard to human's ultimate destiny, that
humans rise way above a Bug or a Rat.
Let's get the truth out there.

JAG

 

You were wrong up-thread.
You're dodging the issue:
What about this?
What did you decide?

There will be Heroic Remembrance in Heaven. The best example
of that is the heroics that was clearly demonstrated by the Lord
Jesus when He said to His Father "not my will, but Thy will be done" '
when He was faced with the cruel death of crucifixion on the Cross.
That heroic deed will be remembered for all Eternity.
WillReadMore, are you going to tell me that what I
just wrote is NOT correct?

So will the heroic deeds of the Apostle Paul, who received 195 lashes
on his back from people who hated Christianity and the gospel message.
Paul said that he received the 40 lashes minus one on 5 separate
occasions.{5 X 39 = 195} Paul could have quit. But he did NOT
quit. That is heroic. That will be remembered for all Eternity.
WillReadMore, are you going to tell me that what I
just wrote is NOT correct?


Can you explain to me why you are continuing to ignore and
continuing to deny the facts right in front of you?.

JAG



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It's good to know that you think "Faith belief", like belief in god, can't be proved either way

 

I answered.

You're spamming. I dont get very interested in spam.

 

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WillReadMore Wrote:
"Heroic rememberance" is purely Earthly in Christianity.
It has no place in describing anything about the
hereafter you dream of. You are confusing yourself."___WillReadMore

False.
You did not.
You were "caught" , , ,
You were "trapped" , , , you trapped yourself
Your were "wrong"
I know it.
You know it.
You "answered" by IGNORING the trap you set for yourself.
You "answered" by talking ABOUT OTHER THINGS instead
of having the courage to simply admit your mistake.
You have ALWAYS done this in our exchanges..
When you get "cornered" you IGNORE it and
when its pointed out to you --- you then start
talking about other things , , ,

, , , and then when it re-appears you call it
SPAM..


Will the Lord Jesus and the Apostle Paul be
remembered in Heaven for their heroic deeds
according to the Bible? You KNOW the answer
is YES. But you refuse to admit your mistake.
There will be Heroic Remembrance in Heaven. The best example
of that is the heroics that was clearly demonstrated by the Lord
Jesus when He said to His Father "not my will, but Thy will be done" '
when He was faced with the cruel death of crucifixion on the Cross.
That heroic deed will be remembered for all Eternity.
WillReadMore, are you going to tell me that what I
just wrote is NOT correct?

So will the heroic deeds of the Apostle Paul, who received 195 lashes
on his back from people who hated Christianity and the gospel message.
Paul said that he received the 40 lashes minus one on 5 separate
occasions.{5 X 39 = 195} Paul could have quit. But he did NOT
quit. That is heroic. That will be remembered for all Eternity.
WillReadMore, are you going to tell me that what I
just wrote is NOT correct?

Can you explain to me why you are continuing to ignore and
continuing to deny the facts right in front of you?.

Its not spam.
It deserves a yes or no answer.
YOU said up-thread that there was no heroic remembrance in Heaven
You stressed that point.
I proved you WRONG. But rather than posting back and saying Yeah
I was wrong on that, you double-down on your WRONG-NESS and
REFUSE to admit you made an error --- and when it re-appears
you call it SPAM.
This down below proves that will be heroic remembrance
in Heaven based upon what the Bible says and you
WERE TALKING about what the BIBLE SAID when you
said there would be no heroic remembrance in Heaven.
You were wrong when you said there will be no heroic remembrance in Heaven.
You're still dodging the fact that you made a mistake.
This down below proves there will be heroic remembrance in Heaven.
I know it.
You know it.

There will be Heroic Remembrance in Heaven. The best example
of that is the heroics that was clearly demonstrated by the Lord
Jesus when He said to His Father "not my will, but Thy will be done" '
when He was faced with the cruel death of crucifixion on the Cross.
That heroic deed will be remembered for all Eternity.
WillReadMore, are you going to tell me that what I
just wrote is NOT correct?

So will the heroic deeds of the Apostle Paul, who received 195 lashes
on his back from people who hated Christianity and the gospel message.
Paul said that he received the 40 lashes minus one on 5 separate
occasions.{5 X 39 = 195} Paul could have quit. But he did NOT
quit. That is heroic. That will be remembered for all Eternity.
WillReadMore, are you going to tell me that what I
just wrote is NOT correct?


Can you explain to me why you are continuing to ignore and
continuing to deny the facts right in front of you?.

JAG

 

What? Swing the bat and miss hitting the ball?
If THAT is what you mean then I most certainly have NOT
swing and missed the ball.
And here is why I say that:
Is your present life a good thing to have?
You will say YES it is.
So?
So its absurd to pretend that the continuation of what is good
is not of HUGE IMPORTANCE.
Its just silly to argue that this bolded blue is not of HUGE
IMPORTANCE.
This is one of the glaring HUGE ugly spots within the
Atheistic Religion and the Secular Humanist Religion,
namely they both predict and expect doom, defeatism,
and destruction for the human person at Death.

This is your attempt to wiggle out of the fact that on your
Secular Humanist Religion you predict and expect doom, defeatism,
and destruction for the human person at death. You don't want
to strongly emphasize the truth of what you really believe. You
want to mostly "keep it out of sight" and focus on more cheerful
subjects. When cornered and "pinned down" you will admit
that it "sounds about right" to say that the HUMAN PERSON
has the identical same ultimate destiny as does a COCKROACH
and other BUGS, but you do NOT want to celebrate your belief
that this "sounds about right." And you will "rack your brain" to
desperately find "logical" , , , "wiggleworms" in order to escape
the ugly hideous truth about your Secular Humanist Religion
and argue that it ought not to be celebrated. You will admit that
it is true when "pinned down" but then wiggle out of the
"we ought to" celebrate the actual truth of what you actually DO
believe."

Misdirection.
Straw Man
Nobody said that it did.
You want to change the subject.
That's just more trying to talk about more "pleasant subjects"
and take the SPOTLIGHT , , , OFF , , of the very ugly
truth about Atheism and Secular Humanism ---that BOTH
are a "Bug Religion" as explained in this thread.

More trying to escape from the truth that your Religion
of Secular Humanism is a Bug Religion as explained in this
thread.

None of what you have said in any way eliminates the fact that on
the Religion Of Atheism and on your Secular Humanist Religion
humans have the same identical ultimate destiny as does a RAT,
and ALL that is on that list down there --- namely total oblivion as
in ceasing-to-exist.
~ Rat
~ Mouse
~ Bug
~ Housefly
~ Roach
~ House Plant
~ Mosquito
~ Pig
~ Cow
~ Road Kill
~ Turtle
~ Hog
~ Peat Moss
~ Snake
~ atheists
~ Secular Humanists
~ Humanity
That up there is what The Bug Religion Of Atheism reduces to:
That up there is what The Bug Religion Of Secular Humanism reduces to:

JAG




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Actually the two stories are virtually IDENTICAL in all respects!

Nigerian prince/Christianity promises something that NEITHER of them can deliver because it does NOT exist.

Nigerian prince/Christianity expects to dupe their gullible victims into given them something of VALUE in THIS life based upon a promise that WON'T be delivered.

Nigerian prince/Christianity keeps on UPPING their offers because they NEVER intend to deliver on what they are promising.

AFTER the Nigerian prince/Christianity have TAKEN what they wanted in THIS life the victims end up with LESS than if they had NOT been duped in the first place.

BOTH are promising GRATIFICATION that NEITHER intend to FULFILL.

BOTH take something of VALUE from their victims in THIS life.

You KNOW that it is a SCAM when it PROMISES something that sounds too good to be true and that is exactly what BOTH the Nigerian prince and Christianity are doing.

 

How do you know this is correct? If I live a good life, maybe I'll get enteral life regardless of what I believe. Maybe you've done something bad in your life that will deny you eternal life without even realising it. Maybe we all get eternal life automatically. Maybe nobody does. Lots of different people believe all sorts of different things about this any no amount of faith guarantees any of them are right.

Anyway, you're assuming someone can simply choose what they believe. In truth, I couldn't just decide to start believing in God, any more than you could just decide to stop believing.

 

Christianity is a Faith.
If your word "know" means based on Empiricism, then I do NOT know.
Christians know Christianity is true because of the inner witness of the
Holy Spirit that tells us Christianity is true. Christianity is a supernatural
Faith -- its power is "not of this world."

The Bible says No to that.
Belief in the Bible is a Faith based belief and cannot be demonstrated true with
Empiricism

The Bible has answers to counter that, but they are Faith Based
answers, namely Bible verses for example John 10:27-30
and there are many others ---but no need to get into that
because you're not looking for Faith Based answers.

The Bible says No to that.
See above.

The same is true about the theological and philosophical
beliefs of Secularism on ALL these highly controversial
beliefs --- lots of Secularists believe all sorts of different
things and no amount of faith guarantees any of them
are right --- and they DO have FAITH and lots of it too.

The Bible says they can.
John 3:16 offers every human a choice;
{1} believe and get Eternal Life
{2} refuse to believe and perish
Revelation 3:20 offers every human a choice
{1} open the door {invite the Lord Jesus in}
{2{ refuse to open the door {keep the Lord Jesus out}

Incorrect.
You got that from an atheist webpage.
It constantly appears in atheist's posts.
The Bible says you can "start believing."
If you are willing to take step one, then
God would help you take step two.
You choose NOT to take step one.
Free Will. You have it.

More re-hashed atheist webpage tidbits of :logic" like the
endless , , , endless , , repetitions about "unicorns" and
the "Easter Bunny" and the "Flying Spag. Monster."
Worn to a frazzle but they keep right on posting that
stuff endlessly.

By the way , , ,
There is nothing in my OP down there that in any way is
unreasonable. In fact my OP actually pays atheists
a high compliment and assumes good things about
one of them named John Atheist.


JAG Writes:
~ Regarding John Atheist ~
~ Introductory Remarks ~
John Atheist,
You do desire to live a heroic life and to be remembered
for your good deeds, don't you? I think you do.
You have lived your life to help others, haven't you? Yes,
you most likely have.
You have lived by the Golden Rule that says do unto
others as you would have them do unto you, haven't
you? Yes, you probably have lived that way.
But on your atheism let us assume that you die and
cease to exist forever --- here is a short piece I wrote
about this atheistic cease-to-exist sadness.

A Monument To John Atheist
by JAG
Let us say that your risked your life to save 3000 people that
were stranded in a dangerous storm and in so doing you lost
a leg, but you were successful in rescuing them and the "powers
that be" gave you a medal for your heroic action and later a
grateful nation erected a statue of John Atheist and it stood
for 500 years.

That would matter to YOU in the short term, but not in the
long term. On your atheism there would come a time when
John Atheist ceased to exist -- and became this 00000

If John Atheist does Cease-To-Exist, then in the long
term it would not matter to YOU that you had acted
heroically to save the lives of other human beings.

If some humans remembered you for 5000 years it would
NOT matter to YOU because you Ceased-To-Exist and
had become this 00000.

So what point am I making? Answer: You need spiritual
tools to arrive at what really matters.
John 3:16
{1) believe and get Eternal Life
{2} refuse to believe and "perish"

John Atheist now has Eternal Life , , , ,

Here on this spiritual ground your heroic action would
matter for all Eternity. It would be FOREVER in your mind
that you had performed a noble heroic action that helped
other people at great cost to you. It would be known by untold
billions of human beings who were sharing Eternal Life with you.
It would matter to YOU and to THEM . . . FOREVER.

Now why on Earth, would that NOT appeal to you?
Why would you NOT desire to be known forever.
And remembered forever by large numbers of
people that YOU had personally helped by living a
noble heroic life?

Why does it not make you very sad to think that all
your past noble heroic acts will be reduced to 00000
and will never be remembered by you?

JAG

 

Yes, and the bible could be wrong. If I was going to follow a religion, why should I pick yours rather than any of the other ones (including all the different forms of Christianity)?

I've never got anything from any atheist website, I got that from my own knowledge and experience. It's a question of psychology, not theology.

If you're suggesting we can just choose to change our beliefs, you could prove it by choosing to stop believing in God, just a for a few minutes to demonstrate the point. Can you do that?

I never suggested there was, I just don't think your conclusions are correct.

 

When Jarvis dies, I'm sure it will be sad. There'll likely be a little ceremony, and people who knew him might be sad, maybe at the funeral, yes. This doesn't seem to be an argument in favour of, well, anything.

 

Doom, yes, the heat-death of the universe is a known thing. The step to defeatism seems to be on your part, secular humanism emphasises making the best of life. The idea that the end of the universe should lead us to any disheartening or inactivity seems to be another JAG TM addition. It seems to me that lamenting the eventual death of someone seems like it cheapens the present contributions of Jarvis.

The universe doesn't owe us a doom-free existence, an existence without an end. That's only ever a problem if you compare it to your fantasy land. To us who live in reality, it's a rather grounded idea and not really cause for any particular anguish.

You're right, I haven't in any way "eliminated" the fact that humans have the same ultimate destiny as a rat, but I have challenged the idea that this matters at all, and you have failed to address it.

 

Source? I can't find anyone else ever having said anything about bugs and atheism. Seems like you're the bug guy.

Does it? Is there anything about your point that is exclusive to bugs, or is it in fact the same to any being (including humans)? Was it anyone's choice but yours to use the word bug?

Why do you "want to point that out"? There are tons of facts and tidbits about secular humanism, atheism, irreligion etc., could your choice of issue and wording be a smear tactic?

If you're so concerned with truth, where is your celebration of, for instance, any statement from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism?

There is tons of stuff to know about Secular Humanism. Seems strange to focus on an idea where the actual strangeness is your obsession with the "ultimate destiny". Secular humanists don't believe that exists, so why choose that when there are actual tenets of secular humanism that are much more central? Some atheists seem to have chosen another message for their busses (https://www.dexterityunlimited.com/...51385649623_18134969623_5491612_7717747_n.jpg).

Your interest seems to be in a careful selection of truths, which stand out not by their truth or significance, but by their ability to be imbued with loaded language and other fallacies. There are many truths that you have shown no interest in.

What do you mean by "better"? It would be "better" for me to have billions of dollars, but that doesn't make it so, does it? I'd say it's better for an idea to be true, and at that point, your supposed brightness and cheerfulness counts for nothing. It has the same gravitas as the Nigerian prince's millions. No sweetening of the pot is going to make it believable.

 

You and your Secularism could be wrong.

{1} Because the God of the Bible loves you and He has a good
Plan for your life. If you will give Him a chance, He will show
Himself to you, but you have to cooperate with His Plan.
Step one is to be willing to exercise Faith in God.
"Have faith in God"__The Lord Jesus in Mark 11:22
Christendom's most famous Bible verse, John 3:16, asks you
to believe --- to exercise Faith in God.

{2} Christianity is unlike any other faith. God loved the
world and sent His one and only Son to die for the sins
of humanity.

{3} Only Christianity offers , , ,
Examples of God's Mercy and Grace that can touch your heart.
For example the Texas axe murderer Karla Faye Tucker, who on
a Texas Death Row became a true born again beautiful glowing
magnificent Christian. If you like a true "rags to riches" story , , or
better a true "axe murderer to glowing Christian" story you really
ought to learn about Karla Faye Tucker. She has a wiki page and
YouTube has many videos of the beautiful Karla Faye Tucker.

By the way, George W. Bush refused to spare her life and Karla
Faye was executed. She "went out" a beautiful glowing happy
Christian. Its all on YouTube.

None of the others offer you a Friend and a Savior that
will never leave you or forsake you.

Endless questions are not your Friend.
You have been asking questions a long time.
Where did that get you? Answer: Nowhere good.

I gave you the answer.
You ignored it and re-posted the same point.
This is all I have to offer you:
The Bible says you can choose to change your beliefs.
John 3:16 offers every human a choice;
{1} believe and get Eternal Life
{2} refuse to believe and perish
Revelation 3:20 offers every human a choice
{1} open the door {invite the Lord Jesus in}
{2{ refuse to open the door {keep the Lord Jesus out}

That's probably true for most or many of the articles you
read on the web. And everywhere else too.

My message to you is that , , ,

Intellectualism, Empiricism, Rationalism, Logic, Secularism
are not your friends, they are the enemies of your soul and
will be no comfort to you in your certain-coming desperate
"hour of need" that comes upon all we humans if we die from
natural causes. Death Bed is coming.

Atheism pushes away that which we all need , , ,

At bottom atheism is the personal decision to keep the God that
created you OUT of your life.
Atheism is humans telling God to "get away from me, I want no
part of you, I do not want YOU God, telling me how to live my life,"
Atheists want to be, and are, their own god.
Here is atheism in a nutshell. I am my own God.
My OP made a good point to show that it doesn't have to be
this way
John Atheist became a Christian and , ,
John Atheist now has Eternal Life , , , ,

Here on this spiritual ground John's heroic action would
matter for all Eternity. It would be FOREVER in his mind
that he had performed a noble heroic action that helped
other people at great cost to him. It would be known by untold
billions of human beings who were sharing Eternal Life with
him It would matter to John and to them . . . FOREVER.

That up there beats the Religion Of Atheism and the Secular
Humanist Religion that says humans have the same identical
ultimate destiny as does a RAT and a COCKROACH --- namely
total oblivion as in ceasing-to-exist. Sad stuff, to be sure.

My OP offers the good and the noble and the heroic. Why do you
not appreciate that?

JAG

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False.
No human being can know anything about the Universe that far into the future.
Present conditions that led to the "heat death" prediction can change.
Scientists have been wrong before.
You do NOT know that conditions will not change.
You can NOT know that conditions will not change.

JAG

 

I mean in the sense that it's hardly something secularists keep hidden or don't know about or try to escape about their own beliefs.

 

No, its all on your part. And its clear in the thread.
YOUR Secular Humanist Religion is pure defeatism for
the END of the Human Person. Its a Bug Religion.

There are dozens and dozens of
"another Swensson TM additions"
in our exchanges on this forum.

You saying its a fantasy land does not mean that it actually
is one.

Yeah you said it "sounds about right"
So?
So since that is the truth, we ought to get
the truth out to the whole world.

Why hide it?

Tell it. Spread the word. Let all of Humanity
know what Secular Humanism really is.

We need to have your message put on the
side of busses. And put in full page adds in
major newspapers. Tell the truth. Let all of
humanity come to fully know and fully understand
that Secular Humanism does NOT know that
with regard to human's ultimate destiny, that
humans rise way above a Bug or a Rat.

Let's get the truth out there.

I told you why it mattered.
It is up-thread.
You can go and read it.

Incorrect.
I addressed it and addressed it very well too.
That's the part that you don't like -- the fact that
I addressed it VERY WELL.

JAG