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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Republicans never showed up to the negotiating table.

    Normal people aren't stupid, they see the $3T the house passed in May.
    The Senate did nothing and sat out negotiations. Because they are fractured.
     
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    He can't promise that, he needs congress.
    Most people are not stupid.
     
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    Except most peoe recognized that the bill passed was about bailing out Cities and states the were Democratic monuments to waste graft corruption and mismanagement not about helping working folks.
     
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    Sad troll, may I feel pity for you?
     
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    As has been documented...ALL states are in dire straights financially because of Covid

    And that $600 certainly DOES help "working folks" who have been laid off.
     
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    Interesting anecdote, but I find it interesting how they did a great job before they even showed up. There were lots and lots of screwups.

    What I posted was accurate, it's common for memory to gloss over things.
     
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    so does the four hundred without paying them more than they made while they were working, thereby giving them a financial incentive to not work.
     
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    The screwups were with the Mayor of New Orleans and Governor of the state. Yes FEMA did a great job before the hurricane even hit. They had the supplies staged and ready for when the local authorities requested and worked closely with the competent state and local officials to have those available. FEMA does not run the show. And my memories of the many hurricanes I have been through certainly don't get glossed over so stop making statements for which you have no knowledge when you lack any thing of merit to add. What I will say is that it is you who fell for the myths surrounding Katrina and put out by the MSM in an attempt to attack the President for political reasons. The most blaring how they misrepresented the "You're doing a fine job Brownie" comment as some uninformed statement that belied what was going on. Did you fall for that one?
     
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    Says he who refuses to admit when he is, clearly and unequivocally, wrong.
    Since you refuse to admit when you are wrong, why should you be taken seriously?
     
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    No. It’s not BS though he’s given the GOP and President far too much credit.
    They’re MIA.

    Mitch hasn’t brought the Hero’s act to the floor and can’t come to a consensus within his own caucus so nothings been brought to the floor.
    GOP is in complete disarray on this package.

    The Treasury Secretary and Chief of Staff are negotiating with Schumer and Pelosi. Mitch’s position is he’ll sign whatever those principles agree upon but can’t speak for the rest of his caucus. Umm, Mitch that’s your job.

    In other words, there isn’t a consensus but enough votes within the GOP to get a bill over the top and pass something within the Senate. Mitch has punted to the WH.

    Meadows is the new factor in the negotiations. He’s the representative of the President. He has a long track record of killing deals, he’s toxic.

    If you hadn’t noticed the Treasury Secretary has a track record of making deals as long as the President is not involved.

    The problem is obvious. The President is sidelined, good thing, but his representative is a malignant as he is, deal breaker.

    So we get the Abominable Showmen and a do nothing stunt.

    I have some empathy for the GOPer’s that are open to a deal, but they have known many of their colleagues, their leader, and their President are compromised and could give a rats ass about the country.
     
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    (original)late Banned

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    Maybe because you don't know what you're talking about.

    I actually looked into the history, and this is above my grade, and 4 or 5 levels beyond yours. My question, should this hit the SC, is will the Orignalists actually be originalist. I have my doubts, but there are a number of ways to look at it.

    My guess is that this will be one of those decisions that involves a bit of negotiation...
     
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    Total fiction.

    "More than a year before Katrina hit, we had written our first article about the probability that the U.S. would be unable to provide a quick response to any natural disaster of great magnitude. We concluded “While we can’t put natural disasters into the same category as an al-Qaeda attack, they both encompass a fear of imminent danger. Death and destruction by a Category 3/4 hurricane is more imminent than an attack by Iraq ever was—and could leave more death and destruction than 9/11. Neither our home nor our land is secure.” "The needless war in Iraq had been draining U.S. funds, personnel, and supplies that could have been needed for disaster response. National Guard troops, which normally would have been a front-line defense to help the people and protect property, were mobilized for Iraq. FEMA was being decimated by politics and budget cuts."

    Both Bush and Cheney believed that disaster assistance should be primarily handled by private assistance; they believed the Red Cross, social service agencies, and several major religious organizations, including the Salvation Army, could and should be able to respond, as they always had. Because of political bias, the administration not only cut FEMA’s budget but also transferred funding. Between 2003 and 2005, Bush moved $800 million from FEMA into the War in Iraq.

    "For the head of FEMA, Bush installed a campaign buddy, Michael D. Brown, who had no experience in emergency management, but had spent 11 years as commissioner for judges and stewards of the International Arabian Horse Association (IAHA). In later articles, we pointed out that at the time Katrina hit, a morale crisis was smothering the agency; political cronies were moving into the agency; experienced career staffers were leaving. Seven of the 10 regions were staffed with interim directors. FEMA, essentially, was being decimated through willful negligence."

    http://legacy.buzzflash.com/comment...bacle-are-brain-dead-he-wasn-t-even-in-office
     
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    Another RW lie. Money to states and cities is for all States and Cities. Blue, Red, Green, Yellow, every State and City that has lost tax revenue is due to get money if needed.

    But I will wait for you to prove that only Dem States and Cities are to get the money. But I suspect it is just the RW lie.
     
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    Except tRUMP has no funds to pay the $300, nor do the States have the $100. It's a nothingburger.
     
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    Indeed, I do.
    You stated that the constitution --requires-- the creation and operation of the USPS.
    This is absolutely false, and your statement to that effect is absolutely wrong.
    Why do you refuse to own up to this?
     
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    Total fiction.
     
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    Of course he does, remember substantial fund remain unspent from round 1 that's where the funds for the three hundred are coming from. That's what I meant by reprioritizing spending that is already taken place.
     
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    Thanks for proving my point.

    You don't know how to do history, and the thorny legal issues are beyond both of us.
     
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    :lol:
    Your point...
    ...that you made a false statement and refuse to own up to it?
    My pleasure.
     
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    Naw, my point is that you never learned how to do history. That you have had nothing substantive to say proves it.

    However, if this reaches the SC, I will read the decision. Occasionally the law veers into uncharted territory, and then things can get... interesting.
     
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    Nothing here changes the fact you know you made a false claim, and the fact you refuse to own up to it
     
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    Troll on...
     
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    I know you cannot stand the fact you were caught making a false statement, and I know you refuse the summon the courage, and the common courtesy, necessary to own up to it - but there's nothing -I- can do about that.
     

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