WATCH: Phoenix Cops Kill Man after Responding to Noise Complaint over Video Game

well... having seen this video I can not see how the officer can possibly be defended! From the victims movements he looked like a few seconds later would have been lying on the floor - without the bullets in his body... sure is a strange place! i've been twice to US and will never go again

 

Not if people use the proper caution when dealing with police, or dealing with anyone for that matter. We are a heavily armed people and that means we must accept the possibility that we will die at any minute (or do something about having so very many guns)

 

Buzz off.

 

Nonetheless I heard someone saying it so your saying what I said was clearly not true was you saying I was lying or the person I was following was lying, The Policy means if in doubt fire.

 

It is not a question of legality it's a question of common sense

 

Now your moving the goal posts.

I said that the poster provided incomplete info.

You asked how.

I said that he left out the part about the man having a gun.

You then claim that I said that gives cops the right to shoot him.

If we are going to have logical discussion, then this type of red herring can't be involved.

 

That's because their argument is faulty....it's a con job actually. Laws apply to everyone. Race is irrelevant. LEO's police the population by behavior, not by race. If the stats after the fact show more criminal behavior by one race or another, then shame on that race, if you want to apply shame. When your Parent slaps your hand, it's not shame on your Parent. It's shame on you. Aside from personal conduct/behavior, the reason blacks are over represented per capita in incarceration rates and death by LEO's is because blacks have such a high rate of out of wedlock births, broken families and fatherless homes. Again this goes to personal conduct and behavior and how people are raised. When you look at murders within races, you see that blacks murder as many blacks as whites murder whites, which is about three thousand per year. But were it equitous as the race baiters logic goes, whites would murder fifteen to twenty thousand whites compared the the three thousand black murders. And yet in numbers it is the same. The reason for the disparity is the same reason for the disparity in incarceration or rates of death by LEO's. The reason is conduct or behavior, and goes back to ones upbringing. Another proof is murders across race, black to white and white to black. There are five to six times as many whites as blacks. So one would think, according to race baiter logic of equity, that for every white murdered by a black, there would be five or six blacks murdered by whites. In fact, for every black murdered by a white, two to three whites are murdered by blacks. That's fifteen times the reverse of equity logic. The bottom line is that the ruination of black America goes back to promiscuity, out of wedlock births, Fatherless homes, and being shackled to the government dole of the Democrat welfare apparatus. So blacks and Democrats have no one to blame but themselves. This is why they blame guns, and Police, and the System, and white people and racism, and Republicans. In truth it is they, the blamers, Democrats and blacks.

 

I can totally believe someone said it but it not being true doesn't automatically mean anyone is lying. They could just be honestly misinformed, joking or using deliberately exaggerated rhetoric.

Regardless, the statement still isn't true as a generic assertion. If you really care to address how police officers (and indeed anyone else) should approach potentially deadly situations, you'd need a much deeper, wider and more detailed assessment.

 

How is any of that knowable. It's all opinion, not fact.

 

By "cover cop", do you mean the non-shooting cop?

 

By doing what?

 

Good point, makes sense to me, but I wonder if the police would wait politely for me to do that, or if they would force their way in?

 

Read the entire discussion that’ll give you answers

 

No, maybe he couldn't have. Humans possess varying degrees of clear thinking/acting when under that kind of stress (sudden appearance at 1 ft range of unknown armed person).

 

The only way that excuse could work is if he shot him as soon as he came to the door. The shooting did not occur until AFTER the "sudden appearance," when the victim was clearly obeying orders and attempting to surrender.

 

It is SOP for officers to put themselves and their co-workers first. Yes, they are in the line of fire on the job but THEY come FIRST. If it's between you and a cop, they will do everything they can to protect themselves, literally and figuratively.

 

It was only like 2-3 seconds. Perhaps he wanted to shoot him immediately but froze for 2 seconds in fear. That would be very typical when faced with a threat like that.

The point is a million things could go wrong when you approach with guns drawn and/or answer the door with a gun, and most of them don't involve an ounce of malice.

 

There's nothing typical about this. He was surrendering. He was clearly surrendering. The cop didn't shoot until he was clearly surrendering and posed no threat. A million things can go wrong if you choose a career in law enforcement and can't handle your use of force responsibly.

 

I already put blame on law enforcement. But I would want to know of Phoenix sop on knocking on doors with guns drawn before I could lay blame on the individual officer for being negligent.

Again it's hard to judge actions in such a tense situation. I don't know if you have ever been suddenly confronted by an armed person, but perhaps there may be a delay between deciding what you want to do and actually doing it. Maybe no delay; maybe you are in that group of humans through either experience or genes that can respond immediately. Maybe you are in the opposite group that will freeze up and stay that way. There are varying degrees of human capability that prevent an automatic judgment .

 

You seem to be working on the assumption that the only thing police officers to is face off with armed suspects. That might make it easier for you to unconditionally hate them all but that doesn't make it right.

 

I am not assuming anything. I responded to a post about where civilians fit in the hierarchy between LEOs and them/us.

I do NOT unconditionally hate LEOs. I'm not sure how many times I need to write that, but here it is again. I do NOT HATE LEOs.

 

Not really ... second link for sure not!

 

My wife and I do.

 

I was asking for YOUR opinion.

 

Which poster?