McConnell: Dems won't allow 'a penny' in stimulus 'unless Texas and Florida bail out New Jersey'

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  1. 61falcon

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    I paid into Social Security for 50 years and I have paid into Medicare from the day it first started and still pay $135 per month, out of my Social Security each month!!! It is not WELFARE!!!!!
     
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    Is that why the Senate hasn’t been able to cobble together a proposal to counter the second one from the House?
     
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    While the odds might make you think that, if any state contributes more than it takes that would be the one where I live!
     
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    Taxing the rich is the reason why states like NJ bail out states like Florida every year.
     
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    So why does NJ need a bailout, just tax the rich more.
     
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    McConnell has zero credibility on this topic.... the turd sat on his hands for 2 months and waited purposefully until the cares act was about to expire
     
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    Ummm... You might want to look more closely are the data you linked. Those 10 states received the highest federal funding but are probably the highest federal contributors too. It makes sense that the highest contributors will get back the most. The figures that are important are the NET figures. The NET figure tell us if they are a giver or taker state.

    The ten states with the highest net federal funding per resident are:
    1. Virginia ($10,301)
    2. Kentucky ($9,145)
    3. New Mexico ($8,692)
    4. West Virginia ($7,283)
    5. Alaska ($7,048 )
    6. Mississippi ($6,880)
    7. Alabama ($6,694)
    8. Maryland ($6,035)
    9. Maine ($5,572)
    10. Hawaii ($5,270)
    The ten states with the lowest net federal funding per resident are:
    1. New Jersey (-$2,368 )
    2. Massachusetts (-$2,343)
    3. New York (-$1,792)
    4. North Dakota (-$720)
    5. Illinois (-$364)
    6. New Hampshire (-$234)
    7. Washington (-$184)
    8. Nebraska (-$164)
    9. Colorado (-$95)
    10. California ($12)
     
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    That's kinda cruel. There are plenty of republicans here in jersey. Its not our fault Murphy is a turd!
     
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    That is an interesting premise. Do you have links to data which qualifies the migration effect? I would have thought the random migration in general would offset this stat.
     
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    I constantly see people claim that blue states support red states in order to spin a narrative, but it is a false and misleading narrative that anybody with an ounce of economic knowledge can see right through. It is like comparing apples to oranges and calling them bananas.

    Basically, the false narrative is comparing larger states with large corporate and residential presence to states that do not have the means, terrain, infrastructure, or population to compete in the revenue field. Some states are even hindered with the presence of large State or Federal Lands in the state. The other issue is the definition of "red" or "blue" States. That claim is most often based on the party that is currently in power in the State's current Government. That does not provide an honest depiction of the State itself, only in the party demographics of the majority of voters in the States.....and in many of the State's that majority leads by a very slim margin.

    Take New Mexico for instance. This State has pivoted between being considered "red" or "blue" for a number of decades, but is now considered fairly "blue. It does not have the corporate presence to even dream of competing with NY in the tax revenue department. It's main source revenue is gas & oil.....which is not that big of a revenue source it once was. Having 3 military bases, 2 other significant Government facilities, and acres of Native American Reservations, it relies heavily of Federal assistance. It is #3 for States with the highest NET Federal Assistance.

    A more intellectually honest depiction of States more dependent of the Federal Government would be to look at the States that demand more Federal Assistance:
    1. California ($43.61 billion) (D)
    2. Texas ($26.90 billion) (R)
    3. Florida ($23.77 billion) (R)
    4. New York ($22.06 billion) (D)
    5. Virginia ($17.68 billion) (D)
    6. Pennsylvania ($15.58 billion) (R)
    7. Illinois ($13.18 billion) (D)
    8. Ohio ($12.57 billion) (R)
    9. North Carolina ($11.31 billion) (R)
    10. Michigan ($10.84 billion) (R)
    However, that can be misleading as well, because one would expect States with higher population to require more Federal Assistance. So maybe it might be more proper to look at the dollar amount per resident:
    1. Virginia ($10,301) (D)
    2. Kentucky ($9,145) (R)
    3. New Mexico ($8,692) (D)
    4. West Virginia ($7,283) (R)
    5. Alaska ($7,041) (R)
    6. Mississippi ($6,880) (R)
    7. Alabama ($6,694) (R)
    8. Maryland ($6,035) (D)
    9. Maine ($5,572) (D)
    10. Hawaii ($5,270) (D)
    When looked at from either angle above, it is a fairly even split between "red" and "blue" State dependence.
     
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    They must be smarter.
     
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    The whole "red" state "blue" state argument is stupid and misleading because no state is entirely "red" or "blue".

    Beyond that, cut welfare and see the whole "red" state "blue" state thing change regarding money. If "red" states didn't have to spend so much to support the "blue" people living there, they'd spend a helluva lot less.
     
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    Welfare shouldn't be a federal program. Individual welfare is not "general welfare". Read the 10th.

    Texas, California, and Florida receive more disaster relief because of their size and location. Illegal immigration doesn't help Texas and California either.
     
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    Oh I read it and most of the federal funding goes to the states in the Top 10 that I listed. Riddle me this though, why is it that the states with the highest State taxes have to be bailed out, shouldn't they be self sustainable with all that cash? I know it sucks to be rich and live in Cali, NY or Jersey and not be able to write off your state taxes of your federal bill. I thought Dems would be praising Trump for taxing the rich, now all we hear is crying, odd.
     
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    What a crock. Moscow Mitch is lying

    as many red states as blue have been hurt by the Covid thing and basically they are ALL hurting
     
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    Are you arguing federal money doesn't go towards welfare, or that it should not? I agree with the latter but not the former.

    We have our share of illegals in Florida too, between agriculture, the horse biz, and hospitality. Plus we got most of the Puerto Ricans who were brought to the US after the hurricane. After housing them free in hotels seemingly forever, and then having them sue for even more free housing, most stuck around. Some were grateful and ambitious; most became welfare Democrats.


    One of the things the scumbag Democrats tried to sneak into the COVID relief bill was to give the rich people in their expensive houses in high tax blue states their tax deductions back. Can you believe it? As if SALT deductions for the wealthy have any effect on the average American impacted by COVID....... :no:
     
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    Every one was hurt, this is true. Problem is the Blue tax and spend states were mostly already facing bankrupt conditions even though they have the highest state taxes. The liberal utopia, they pay the highest taxes and their lefty government can't manage it.
     
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    Stop with the red states v blue state thing

    WE are all hurting now
     
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    Some of the blue states also hurt themselves by playing games with excessive shutdowns, and by allowing/enabling the riots. The Democrats want us to forget about all of the money needed to rebuild from the riots..... That wasn't due to COVID, that was due to bad leadership.
     
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    Red States Governors & Mayors have not ordered their police to stand down as BLM worshippers destroyed their cities.

    Blue states need to hold their elected officials accountable for allowing their cities to be destroyed.
     
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    I don't really understand your question. New York and New Jersey receive back less federal money than they pay out. That is why their Net federal funding per capita is negative. They are not being bailed out if they receive back less than they paid.
     
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    I was agreeing with you. No argument.

    People make all of these claims that red states accept more federal dollars, but never define what that means and what federal dollars qualify as "state welfare". Military? Social Security? Welfare? Disaster relief? National parks? Prisons? Education? Highways? Postal service?
     
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    "McConnell: Dems won't allow 'a penny' in stimulus 'unless Texas and Florida bail out New Jersey'"

    fake news, dems have a 3 trillion dollar bill ready to go, Republicans refuse to pass it
     
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    Moscow Mitch is screwing ALL the states
     

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