Democrats Will Have ‘A Lot Of Explaining To Do’ If They Sue To Stop Trump Executive Orders

Good to know that the constitution now means so little to the right as long as you can back your opponents into a corner

 

I can't imagine why Trump required an outlay from states. It's akin to moving the rescue boat further away from a drowning man. Trump had to know there would be blowback from Republican governors.

He has to come up with better answers if he wants to close the gap...

 

The fact that you don't see the irony in that, is really funny.

 

I'm not a "connoisseur" of propaganda, left or right.

You spend a lot of time watching talking heads, do you?

A lot of experience with hallucinogenics?

Propaganda Alert!

It matters a great deal how much money we "dump into this package." Are you familiar with this formula...?

Y = C + I + G + X - M​

We have a huge deficit of "C" and "I" without a willingness of Republicans to increase "G" to compensate. $1t is less than 5% of GDP. Not nearly enough.

Let the guy keep most or all of his $600 benefit.

All levels of government "mismanage" spending. Picking on local government, Democrat or Republican, is a political dodge.

Anecdotal evidence. As I said, all governments waste money, and all governments hand out money to their friends.

Trump drags out AF1 to play golf when he could play at Burning Tree like other Presidents have.

Y = C + I + G + X - M​

Opening businesses in a raging pandemic won't get people out spending...




We have to fix this (see below) before we can have a reasonably healthy economy.

If you're right (you aren't), we couldn't have had a healthy economy during WW2.

Very few people getting $600/week are making a lot more than they did when they were furloughed or laid off.

You're talking about inflation in the middle of a recession? Hohhhh-Kayyyyy...

At the moment, there are so many unemployed that few employers are running into staffing problems beyond low-wage employers upset some of their furloughed employees they trained are reluctant to return to what is often an unsafe workplace. There are plenty of willing unemployed workers. This is supported by surveys.

You keep coming up with nostrums (see above) that don't apply in this situation.

You can't support most of your speculation with data.

In WW2, with 140m people, we took 17m of of workforce into the military, much of what the rest of us could produce, and still kept going. If you don't know how we did it, you might study the history.

 

You throw a lot of unrealistic formulas around, and can not back any of them. The fact is that when the government allowed people to go out into public, the clubs and restaurants were at capacity. So, obviously people were not following the graph that you provided. BTW. it helps for you to provide a source for your graphics. Because none seem very realistic to me. I do notice that the graph left out attending violent protests. What percentage would you think that would be?

Also, you claimed that I could not support the claim that people spent the stimulus money on luxuries instead of paying their bills. It is simple common sense. Take a look at the number of people that would have been evicted if the President had not stepped in.

The DNC's action is the Cares Act was to kick the eviction can four months down the road. As I pointed out, If a family owed two months back rent when the Moratorium was put into effect, then they owe six months back rent four months later, and are still subject to eviction. What the president has done is tasked various agencies to see what relief that the Federal Government can provide homeowners and renters to pay their back payments. This is not kicking the can down the street. It is removing the can from the street. So, tell me how that is a bad thing!

You have compared the current situation to WWII. Sorry Pops, this is not then. People in this country have changed. Further, we are not running off to fight a war. People are not rushing off to the factories to build things. They are rushing home to sit on their couch, because their places of businesses are closed. So, maybe you should look at reality, and not looking into the past. BTW, do you know how I can tell you are a connoisseur of the liberal media? Because you parrot everyone of their ideas, and you are completely convinced that the liberals are completely right on everything. President Trump took actions that were exactly that the Democrats were claiming that they were willing compromise on, and it still pissed you and the media off. He took actions that the GOP did not like either, but you have ignored that fact. In the end, you nothing but a liberal media drone.

Have a nice day.

 

You are too late. It is already in process. It will be over before it reaches a court.

 

Congress controls the purse? Well it's by law supposed to.

 

EVERYONE OUGHT TO BE: Republicans Furious As Democrats Leave Town With No Deal.

Trump is only forced into this position because Democrats will not authorized $1Trillion in immediate aid, unless he also agrees to $2Trillion in Democrats demands for bailouts, Democrat demands for another Taxcut for the Rich, and Pelosi's demand for federalization of elections that will result in no one being able to determine who won the Presidential election, which would make her acting President on January 20, 2021. She is an impossible mess, in the aftermath of this we need to seriously consider a Constitutional Amendment to make the Speaker of the House more accountable to the National Electorate. Right now she is only accountable to the voters of her district and the members of the House whose lives and careers she controls with an iron fist.

Trying to prevent a $1 Trillion in immediate aid for idled worker unless Trump agrees to anther $2 Trillion for her impossible wish-list.​

Democrats left town after forcing a collapse of a deal on the phase 4 coronavirus stimulus package.

Democrats, who had already left town, and didn’t hesitate to criticize the president’s executive orders.

Despite the short-term executive orders, lawmakers have left Washington to return to their home states without a stimulus package though they have criticized Trump for signing the orders in a last ditch attempt to get relief to idled American Workers. On Sunday, spoiled rotten brat obstructionist Pelosi called Trump’s actions “absurdly unconstitutional,” while failing to mention her full throated support for Obama's Executive Orders to benefit illegal aliens.

Others, spoke out on behalf of President Trump and his valiant effort to get ONE Trillion dollars in badly needed aid to American Workers.

 

Crazy Pelosi Takes The American Worker Hostage And Skips Town Before Negotiations Are Completed.​

Democrats demand $2 for themselves, for every $1 of aid to struggling American Workers.

Democrats never wanted a deal and were never negotiating in good faith.

as the price of relief to the American Worker. The Democrats no longer view The American Worker as part of their constituency.

That's the advantage of having a President with a functioning brain.

 

Trump Remains On The Job, Using Executive Orders To Bring Badly Needed Relief To The American Worker.​

Crazed demented Pelosi again rejected the idea of a short-term $600 per week unemployment extension.

Pelosi and Hoyer’s offices will not discuss why they are on August recess and the House being out of session despite the fact there is still no deal to bring relief to the American Worker.[/quote]

 

Feel free to explain what you mean if you are able.

 

The formula...

Y = C + I + G + X - M​

... is basic macroeconomics.

This is an absurd claim.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/02/3-charts-that-show-the-us-restaurant-industrys-coronavirus-recovery.html

Read the bottom of the graph image.

An extremely tiny fraction of the possible virus exposures. All of the protests, the vast majority peaceful, didn't add to the pandemic totals...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/01/research-determines-protests-did-not-cause-spike-in-coronavirus-cases/#3655825a7dac

IOW, you're winging it based on your opinion.

You act like a moratorium on evictions is a genius move.

Give people enough money to cover their rent and/or mortgage. We're talking about an EMERGENCY situation. I don't care if a fraction of the people get something more than they deserve. We don't have time to set up a policing bureaucracy.

If we don't do enough fast enough to make up for the reduced demand, we're heading for a recession or depression.

I wasn't born until after the war, Sonny.

I mentioned WW2 because the dislocation of workers and production was far greater than with our COVID-19 partial shutdown. 17m workers in a country of 140m still consuming but not producing regular goods and services. We then took a lot of what we could produce for the war effort.

We have 20 or so Republican Senators who want to repeat the mistakes Republicans made from 1930-33. Hoover increased government spending, but not nearly enough to make up for the drop in consumer demand. We had a depression.

If we cut down those weekly benefits, a lot of people will go bankrupt.

Okay. I support school vouchers, medical vouchers, and believe Roe v. Wade was a bad decision. Name one liberal who holds those views. Just one. You probably think only liberals see that Trump is a malignant narcissist.

I don't know who you think you know, but most Americans are more than happy to work for what they get. A lot of the people who wouldn't go back to their old jobs didn't have school to look after their kids, or had to look after an aging parent. Or had someone at home who might die if they brought home the virus from work.

This is not a political game where we split the baby in half. We're so screwed up now with food lines, I'm talking about trying to prevent a depression. Republicans have to put in a few trillion while we limit some business activity--clubs, bars, restaurants, gyms, salons--do schooling largely online for a few months, and so on. We have to get the new case count under control.


It took two or three months for other countries to get new case counts down. We have a tough row to hoe.

You finished off by name-calling.

Trump failed. Joe will get his chance to close the deal if he comes up with a workable plan.

The Canadian finance minister was asked back in March what he thought his job was given the pandemic. "My job is to keep food on Canadians' tables," he replied. He wasn't kidding, either. If Joe Biden says the same thing about keeping food on Americans' tables, he's going to bury Trump.

 

No reason to sue but it’s got to suck to get kicked in the balls again. All talk. No action.

If it wasn’t so dire for so many watching Trump voters get kicked in the balls repeatedly might be humorous.

 

I'm sorry but that pic right there just made my actually LOL.

 

Actually, if done right, Republicans will have a lot of explaining to do if they don't sue Trump.

 

Let's see if we can tailor all this BS (graphs for liberal media websites and liberal media talking points) to a couple of meaningful, but wrong, tidbits. First, the formula for GDP. You are expecting he Government to offset consumption (C), Corporate Investments (I), as well as shortfalls between imported and exported goods. In 2019, the US GDP was $21.433 Trillion. Yet, you think a One, two or even three trillion dollar Stimulus Package will offset that the losses. Your whining that the GOP is not spending enough, As I keep saying, the US Government can not spend enough to save off a recession or depression. Your claim otherwise has not basis in fact or reality. Maybe you should put on your mask, and practice Social Distancing while you take a stroll through you local grocery store. What you will see is lots of empty shelves. You think that the government handing out checks are going to restock those shelves, but that is ridiculous. What it is going to take is manufactoring companies going back to work.

Now, here is an economics lesson for you. What enviable happens when you have more money on the street, then you have goods and services to spend it on? It is called inflation. Can you imagine a depression and inflation hitting at the same time? Yet, that is exactly what you are advocating.

Just a couple more things. CNBC is a part of the NBC family. This is a liberal talking point clearing house. So, their claiming of what people are willing to venture out of the house for is just another liberal talking point. It has no basis in fact. Same with that so called study that claimed that the protests had nothing to do with the surge in new cases. Even the local DNC government are not buying that one. Think about this. Your graph, (we still do not know what the source is, or how they derived with the statistics that they are claiming), shows that only 24% of the population would go to a bar. Yet, when they reopened the bars, they were filled to capacity. The graph states that only 41% of the population would go to a restaurant. Total BS. They opened local restaurants here, and people filled the seats the first day. Only 42% would go to church? BS. Nothing about the graph is factual.

If you truely thing (hide in the basement) Joe Biden is the answer for this nation, then you really are an over the top Liberal. There is no hope for you.

Unless you show some form or understanding of reality, this will be my last response to you on this thread. Have a nice day, and I will pray for you!!!!

 

Utter nonsense.

As an independent and right leaning voter, I flatly do not care what these two sides claim. I look at what Trump proposed and see the lie in it. He lacks the authority under the Constitution and his three memos and one executive order do not accomplish the things he claims.

Worst of all is the attack on the funding mechanism of Social Security and Medicare. Those services, which workers like me pay for all our lives, kept my grandparents and parents in good stead in their later years. They keep my severely disabled brother alive.I myself am nearing my full retirement age, and take it personally that Trump would rapidly bankrupt what I have been paying into for over a half century.

Show me real numbers that what Trump claims is true. Short of that, I'd support a ham sandwich for President before I'd support Trump.

Of Biden/Harris, I fully comprehend I will have to fight them in Congress. That's old news, for no President's legislative agenda, or budget for that matter, survives the collision with Congress. I much prefer the sort of routine political fight we have long experience with there, in the House and the Senate, than four more years of this insanity and incompetence in the Oval Office.

For me, 2020 is an easy choice. Vote AGAINST Trump, deal with what comes after in the normal manner of American Congressional politics.

 

Yes.

We lost part of our GDP. I think it will take more than $3t.

No whining, but I am condemning the Liar-in-Chief for his failed performance.

What do you know about economics? Not much.

No, shelves are empty for many different reasons, some to do with more people staying at home, hoarding, changing consumption patterns because of the virus, and pulling back on spending.

Manufacturing is less impacted by the virus than service industries where workers and the public are in close contact.

You have no idea what you're talking about. One of us is an economist. (It ain't you.)

Is that why Kudlow worked for them?

Anything you don't like hearing is a liberal talking point. Egads.

https://assets.weforum.org/editor/wjSNR06l8e2qp6oQaXLaknWbjeUB5xzfVA_8usHOsUI.jpg

There is more online about spending if you aren't afraid to look.

Trump has to go for the good of the country.

Don't bother replying. You can't hold your own.

Take a macroeconomics class online.

 

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Well said! Trump did what needed to be done in the light of democrat obstruction.