Electronic Harassment is Real

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  1. James7

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    Well tell us Well Bonded, what it is you have done for a living? But whatever it is I'm sure it is not as advanced as constructing military grade electronic harassment devices.

    I wouldn't dispute that you may have made many more electronic devices than I have, but could you construct the electronic harassment which I have described on this thread?
     
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    My last post almost raised an interesting and important question.

    Who made the electronic harassment device and why?

    From my own narrow experience the device in question must date from no later than 2015, but possibly even as early as 2012. However I don't know if the device was in use before that as far as any other target individuals was concerned.

    I don't think the equipment is routinely used by the police, but it was possibly commissioned for use by either the military or the intelligence services. However I believe my harassers may have borrowed the equipment from the latter (with or without monetary compensation) through the 'old boys' network. In other words, the use of the equipment is possibly illegal.

    I don't know if any other target individuals complaining of electronic harassment are also of the opinion that it is NOT the police who are actually using the equipment?

    There is also some suggestion that electronic harassment is being used on people or even on groups of people for the purpose of experimentation. Indeed, the social groups chosen for such experimentation, if it is happening, are ones which those in the upper echelons of society tend to disapprove of or have a low opinion of, etc, etc.

    Does anyone else have any opinions on any of this?
     
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    Further to the questions who made the device and who owns the device, the question could also be asked, how much is such a device worth?

    From my own experience I have heard that such specialist scientific equipment can be worth more than a handmade Italian sports car and that's a lot. And it would seem almost beyond doubt that it had been completely funded by the British tax payer, as always.

    It makes you wonder how many of such devices are out there and what their intended purpose is?

    But what does the British tax payer think of his/her money being spent in such a way?
     
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    Another feature of electronic harassment is that it involves gangs. Ordinary persons working as a team are recruited and share control and ownership of the electronic harassment device and it is clear that they are using a gang ethic.

    Many persons describing their experiences with electronic harassment also speak of a gang or community stalking aspect to the harassment. Part of the gang/community stalking modus operandi is to spread malicious rumours about you behind your back (such as that you are a criminal or that you are deliberately rude to people, etc.), and then to set up some sort of report back scheme where members of the community can then report back any complaints they have about your behaviour such as "he gave me a funny look" or "he's a noisy neighbour". Part of the blatant hypocrisy about gang/community stalking is that the leading protagonists are obviously involved in criminal activity themselves and sometimes it's pretty obvious. It seems that the gang/community stalkers get a feeling of empowerment out of participating in the harassment and also a sense of belonging in the fact that they are part of a larger team.

    It is also Interesting that the police themselves seem to play a part in this gang ethic in that they are very proficient in either looking the other way or in actually participating in spreading defamatory rumours about the target individual such as that "they are up to no good" or "that they are mentally unstable". The UK police also have a bad reputation for corruption and taking bribes and this is what happens when working class personnel are left to self-regulate their own standards. Also when corrupt officers are caught they suffer few consequences and are simply retired on an extremely generous police pension.

    In summary it seems that gang/community stalking parades itself as a twisted and perverse rendition of the larger democracy we belong to.
     
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    Reading through the list of methods employed by the "Stasi", the State Security Service of East Germany, the methods sound so familiar it's just spooky. It's almost crystal clear that what we call "gang/community stalking" in the West, has been borrowed directly from the Stasi.

    With the unification of Germany a huge number of ex-Stasi agents/informers would have joined in creating the larger German government. Of course Germany plays a leading role in the EU and in addition to this ex-communist leaders from other European countries also form a part of the EU. For decades the EU has had a significant influence upon the UK, and via its special relationship with the US, the UK has in turn possibly influenced the US even, in this regard.

    Here are some telling extracts from the Wikipedia page on the Stasi:

    How hypocritical must it be to condemn Communism for behaving like this and then to do the exact same thing yourself?
     
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    Adding to the above post, there's a further informative quote from the Wiki page on the Stasi which reveals their recruitment methods These same methods may be being employed in gang/community stalking:

    The same Wiki page also tells us what could have happened when previously communist countries like East Germany were integrated into the West:

     
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    Continuing the discussion on the Stasi commenced in post #155, I've found some further interesting quotes from the relevant Wiki page which I'm still reading through:

     
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    Again continuing the discussion on the Stasi commenced in post #155, and further addressing the point raised in that post that ex-communist leaders from East European countries also form an active part in the present EU:

    It can't be forgotten that Altiero Spinelli, considered as one of the founding fathers of the EU, was a previous Communist Party member and was an active democratic socialist at the time he gave shape to what later became the EU. See this quote from the Wiki page on Altiero Spinelli:

     
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    Further adding to the post immediately above, #158, which in turn is itself a continuation from post #155, I'd like to quote the following YouTube video from Nigel Farage:

    Farage describes EU as 'updated communism'
     
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    Again adding to post #155, with the reunification of Germany there was much public debate on what to do with the recovered Stasi files. I quote the relevant Wiki page:

    Well, I can categorically tell you, I'm all for opening up the secret government files detailing the covert psychological harassment that is gang/community stalking. The people involved should be brought to justice. Again how hypocritical is it to condemn the former Stasi of East Germany for treating its citizens like this and then to do the exact same thing yourself?

    I don't know how far back historically gang/community stalking goes in the West. There are countless books on the subject available on Amazon, and the shear number speaks for itself, but the earliest I could see dates to 2008. Are our governments taking up the reigns where the old guard Communists left off?
     
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    This reminds me of those high pitch emiters that only young people can hear, that some shop owners use to drive away troublesome loitering teens.
     
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    That's a very good example of where technology is directly being used to control people's behaviour, and as you say it's being used in the average high street. It's also being used in parks in the US apparently by the local government.

    Can You Hear It? Sonic Devices Play High-Pitched Noises To Repel Teens

    Some have claimed that the application of such technology is actually "ageist" and hence discriminatory.

    But even worse is the use of such technology in your own home. That's actually worse than plain and simple harassment.
     
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    It says something about our democracy when it is permissible for political minorities to be harassed and stalked while the authorities (i.e. the police, your local MP) are not prepared to do a thing about it.

    It makes the politicians look like sellouts. A huge number of UK MP's have previously been company directors and have worked with and for the system before becoming elected. Only a relative few left-wing MP's in the Labour Party have not performed an executive or highly professional role within the system before becoming elected.

    It makes the news media look like stooges. Often the TV news headlines sound contrived and the news we see is often selective and filtered. Some stories are given far greater coverage than others which hardly get a mention at all. Also the 'way' the headlines are read by the news readers and the emphasis they give to key words, definitely gives the impression that a given 'story line' is being plugged by the powers that be. Sometimes it can even look as if the general public is being programmed by the TV news and are being told exactly what to think. Sometimes this happens on a completely subliminal level and sometimes also on a more conscious, voluntary level. Sometimes in the UK it almost sounds as if the Queen herself or some other member of the royal household actually wrote the headlines themselves! Sometimes they even read the headlines in person as junior members of the aristocracy or other wealthy families often perform the roles of TV journalists as a profession in their early years.

    Because of this the system is always biased. At the top, everything is run by the few for the benefit of the few, and everyone else comes second, third, fourth and fifth, etc.
     
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    Although it may sound a little too obvious, another comparison is George Orwell's "1984".

    Some claim Orwell's frightening prediction has already come true, I KNOW it already has.

    Orwell's "Telescreens" is the Internet, as the latter can see into each and everyone of our lives through blanket surveillance via tracking cookies. They can track every site you visit on the Net and determine who you vote for, what medical conditions you might have, etc. And all this information is available to whomever wants to buy it, including governments. According to authors such as Yasha Levine (in his "Surveillance Valley - The Secret Military History of the Internet"), the internet was probably created as a government surveillance tool right from the very beginning.

    Often Big Brother can sound friendly. People genuinely want to change society for the better, but how do you do this without resorting to an insidious, creeping authoritarianism? This has happened too often in the past, i.e. Stalinism and Nazism.

    I myself have read "1984" and would recommend it to anyone who hasn't read it already. On one level it's obvious it's based upon World War II, with the two fighting superpowers being Stalin's Russia and Hitler's Germany and the destructive rockets that keep landing being the V2. However the book is well written and packed with handy quotes.
     
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    Sometimes you have to fit an individually specific case of harassment into a wider context of population control and psychological manipulation. It's almost beyond doubt that psychological manipulation through mass media (i.e. television and the internet) does actually happen.

    Cambridge Analytica's mission statement, clearly shown on their website, was "Data-driven behavior change". Here the suggestion is that targeted advertising can even change the way people think or behave.

    The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations describes itself as a not-for-profit, registered charity that works to improve the way organisations function and the way individuals relate to one another. On their website it says, "In our early work we brought together staff from different disciplines to find ways to apply psychoanalytic and open systems concepts to group and organisational life." It also says on the same page, "We work with hidden (sometimes unconscious) factors." It is clear that Freudian psychoanalysis and the Freudian subconscious is being referred to here. In a way this isn't surprising when you consider that the TIHR evolved out of the Tavistock Clinic which specifically deals with mental health issues. The suggestion is therefore that the TIHR, in using the same language as the Tavistock Clinic, looks upon organisations as mentally sick people in need of healing. But is this really the correct approach? Many organisations may, in fact, find this approach slightly unnerving.

    It is clear that many TV adverts contain what appear to be subliminal messaging which targets specific groups of people. At first glance the advert may appear a little weird or eccentric, but the ad actually contains hidden, symbolic content that certain groups pf people subconsciously recognise and understand. Some years back such strange content in TV ads were banned, but these days it seems the rules have changed somewhat.

    It is alleged that TV news channels can be biased and go well beyond what is known as 'journalistic neutrality'. Many ex-BBC news journalists have alleged that the BBC News is biased and cite their unwavering anti-Brexit stance as an obvious example of this. These same ex-BBC journalists are keen to point out that George Orwell used to be a journalist at the BBC himself and had apparently based his "Ministry of Truth" on his experiences while working at the BBC.
     
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    I recently contacted the online help group Protection Against Stalking. However it seems they don't really cover radio frequency/electronic harassment which is undoubtedly a form of harassment and therefore technically illegal in the UK.

    They attempted to bounce me through to the Cyber Helpline. However the latter covers online stalking where the stalker follows your online presence and attempts to harass you over the net. This doesn't apply to myself and also many seem to confuse the term "electronic harassment" with 'online harassment' rather than 'radio frequency harassment' which is what I'd clearly described.

    Why is it that other forms of harassment and stalking are treated seriously and are recognized as a criminal offence, but radio frequency/electronic harassment is not?

    And it's not as if in this age of high tech gadgetry, that the manufacture of such electronic harassment devices is purely in the realm of science fiction. Even if the government is NOT responsible for manufacturing such devices, it's not impossible that some private corporation or military contractor manufactured and distributed such equipment illegally. I really get the impression that private corporations are orchestrating the harassment and that they have been contracted to do so.
     
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    Out of curiosity who would be harassing you this way for what reason?
     
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    As I have probably already indicated in previous posts I don't believe it is the police or the government. The latter are well aware that harassment is illegal and this is not part of their established procedure.

    Instead the harassment is carried out by a private corporation who are counting on the fact that the methods they're using are slightly beyond the reach of the British legal system. The private corporation in question are paid for their services by a private individual with a grudge because of a past legal issue. The private corporation in turn employs boots on the ground and the persons they hire tend to be of the unscrupulous variety, possibly with past criminal convictions.
     
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    Out of curiosity which corporation?
     
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    I wish I knew but it is already a more or less established fact that such corporations do exist. Presenting themselves as 'private security' contractors they can muscle in on people. This issue cropped up in the Harvey Weinstein case.

    Look at the rough tactics employed by door to door debt collectors. They can barge their way into your home and take electrical goods and apparently it's all more or less completely legal. Look at nightclub doormen. At the first sign of trouble they can punch someone unconscious and the legal system doesn't seem to be bothered about it that much.
     
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    Certainly an unusual newspaper article. And the article tells us the following:

    But then.....

    In other words the real estate agent, Fridrich, didn't confirm anything much after all. Brilliant reporting.
     
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    I've noticed for some time now that my stalkers don't seem to do anything for a living. I made a careful note of this well before the pandemic started.

    All my immediate neighbours in all four directions appear to be in the exact same situation.

    Are they professional stalkers I wonder? Is their pay as stalkers so good that they no longer require regular work? Or have they been bullied into compliance?
     
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    That's just sarcasm.

    And even if I did have mental health issues, surely it would be inappropriate to laugh about that?
     

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