Hiroshima at 75: bitter row persists over US decision to drop the bomb

Reading the thread and Googling should help you. For you too. No doubt.

Not the topic. Ditto. Ditto. Ditto.

 

You have completely failed to support your position that the use of atomic weapons was terrorism.

 

Ah me. People will come to their senses when they do.

 

That's very simplistic. There would have been nothing to lose and a lot to gain by making a demonstration and then holding back.

 

I bet your tune would change if you were one of the Marines getting ready to invade mainland Japan.

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. It holds true whether it was the Nazi vs french views of the french resistance in WW2, or US vs some muslim views of ISIS today. It all depends on your point of view.

 

Irrelevant.

That's how bin Laden's fanatical followers feel, yes. Yes. Basic morality would be more universal one would hope...

 

The Japanese did not have a word for surrender. Civilians were trained to fight along side Japan's military if the US invaded Japan. More Japanese civilians and Americans would most likely have been killed if not for the two bombs. Even after the second bomb was dropped the Japanese war cabinet and the Emporer were still planning to fight until the last Japanese was killed. After the first bomb was dropped the Soviet Union attacked Japanese forces in China. Japan would never see a conditional surrender which they had hoped and planned for so they could keep their government, their military and not have the US occupy their country. The US was never going to allow that to happen. My father was stationed in Japan from 1947 to 1948. Once the Emporer (a god to the Japanese) spoke to the Japanese via radio telling them Japan had surrendered the people were in shock and it humbled them completely. My father who was an Air Force Air Police (AP) said the Japanese caused very little trouble and just went about their business quietly. In 1961 to 1965 my family was stationed there. We found most Japanese harbored no anomosity towards Americans and wanted to learn English. The average Japanese were good people who were brainwashed into believing their Emporer was a god and they could never lose a battle. Proof of this was that the Japanese had never lost a battle in 2000 years. Yes, the bombings were a sad day for everyone but the end results could have been far worse if the US was forced to land on Japanese soil.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/pacific-japans-plan/

Suicidal Plans
The Japanese strategy was to destroy the invader's landing vessels before they hit the beaches. For this purpose, Japan had reserved about 5,000 conventional aircraft and a variety of suicide vehicles, including about 5,500 kamikaze planes, 1,300 suicide submarines, and several hundred piloted bombs. There were even frogmen, wearing explosives, who would blow up landing craft — and themselves.

 

Prove it. Don't just allege it. Your meme has expired and now put on the big boy pants and PROVE IT.

 

Japan was on its knees prepared to surrender.

Regardless, these two acts of terrorism were grotesque war crimes of an unprecedented nature.

 

Google/read the thread. Ditto. Ditto.

 

The proof is very simple, the Japanese DID surrender eventually, did they not?

YOU'RE the one who has to prove that the bombs were necessary

And since the Japanese had sent peace overtures to the Allies in JANUARY of 1945, it would seem that might be a little difficult on your part, Big Boy Pants or not

https://www.jstor.org/stable/20672371?seq=1

It's really very irritating to deal with people who are arrogant but people who are WRONG and arrogant make it a little easier.

 

How do you not understand that the Japanese surrender -after- the bombs is no indication they would have surrendered without them?

 

Troll.

 

So prove me wrong. Link it or leave it. His allegation came first, so let's see him prove it.

 

The Japanese wanted to force the US into accepting a conditional surrender as pointed out in my link. That was never going to happen. Only an unconditional surrender was on the table and the Japanese would never accept that because they feared losing face.

 

Hirohito was a god, in every sense of that phrase as far as the average Japanese had been raised to believe. To hear his voice and plea for war's-end was a major loss of face for the nation and all it had stood for.
This concept escapes younger people, or the non-religious, who don't understand the THOUSANDS of years of Japanese religious and governmental intermarriage. Every aspect of their old society had been based on war and violence. Then came Commodore Perry (an Ohio lad, just ask 'em) and the whole game went sideways and the Japanese became very, very proficient at mass producing weapons for fun stuff in places like Manchuria. American weaponry also ended that same thirst for conquest.

We haven't even hit 300 years, and we definitely don't call our President by any holy names.

 

basic morality is why we dropped the atomic bombs. Far more would have been killed in a conventional invasion.

 

A breath of reason!

 

Please don't post this way to me - thanks.

 

The Japanese wanted one thing - to keep the emperor. (Which they did.) It did, actually. False - the Japanese got what they wanted AFTER our horrendous terror attacks.

 

The apologia for horrendous terrorism, the excuses made for it, the fictions and dehumanizing othering...

Deeply unfortunate.

 

Utterly bizarre and entirely false. Irrelevant & unknown - the Japanese were prepared to surrender.

 

bwahahaha, talk about unknown.

 

Indeed.

 

Evidence to the contrary.

They fought to the death on Okinawa and Iwo Jima just a few months earlier.

They did not surrender until their Emperor told them to surrender. The first time many of them had heard his voice. They were trained and condition to never surrender. They were ordered to kill at least ten of the enemy first if it looked like they were going to be killed. They were unwilling to accept an unconditional surrender because they wanted to keep their Emperor.

They did not respond after Potsdam.