Army Combat Fitness Test Fiasco! Slides Reveal 84% of Women Failing ACFT

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  1. Lil Mike

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    Back in my part of the Army, the nerd part, we were sharing tents in the field back in the 80's. Probably the longer women have been in certain fields the more likely that the unit has gotten used to that idea.

    Of course, it was driven by the logistics of available tents/cots.
     
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    Well I unfortunately went through the early 2010's SHARP fiasco era in the Army. Apparently, overnight, every man in the Army was now unable to control his urges to rape every single woman in sight so they had to be separated at all costs. Asinine policies such as if you take your shirt off to change and there is a female Soldier around it's an automatic Article 15. Yeah...there was literally a sign on our building that said that. The porta potties in the field were also gender specific. "Female on the floor!" "Female heading to the tent!" were the dumb mandatory phrases we heard echoing all day and night to tell you that a woman was walking around so make sure to get dressed in sleeping tent...

    Recently the Army quietly just sort of stopped giving a crap about any of that and went back to normal thankfully. Nowadays our females share the same tents, they don't have their own "area" in the tent they sleep intermingled with us. And when they change their clothes, like the men do, everybody doesn't suddenly stop and stare at them like little school children because nobody cares.

    It has made life SO MUCH easier. Gone are the stupid days to where my good female friend and fellow aviator was literally not allowed to enter sleep our tent to assist with mission planning because she was a woman.
     
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    You really are a mental case, I can see.

    What part of "A movie is not real life" do you not freaking get?

    And I bet that the bullets and weapons fired at airplanes never kill the pilots in your world, and they always parachute out safely. Because you saw that in the old GI Joe cartoons.
     
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    Oh, and I am still waiting for those parts of the Geneva Convention and Hague Protocols. You know, the ones where you insist that spies are civilian non-combatants and they can not be tried.
     
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    You know, all of those times going to the field in mixed units and I don't recall there every being any sort of "male/female" type problem. I think the fact that everyone stank had a lot to do with that. The only incident remotely like that was when our platoon leader came into GP Mediums to rattle off a bunch of action items for the OPS SGT to take care of. She was inside her sleeping bag changing and I don't think he even noticed until she tossed out a bra and said, "gimme a second!"


    The problem was never the field, it was garrison.
     
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    Yeah thankfully most of that nonsense seems to be going by the wayside now. I gave a kid a ride to his barracks room a few weeks ago and was surprised when I saw females walking out of there. Turns out garrison barracks are even co-ed here now and not even separated by floors or anything. Everyone is just tossed in and mixed together regardless of gender. I believe the actual rooms are still segregated but thats about it. No rules about anything apparently either, guys are free to go into girls rooms and vice versa, ya know like the normal adults that they are. And frequent each others rooms they do...according to the kid lol.

    Far cry when years past when I lived in the barracks...The buildings were completely separate with a fence between them and you weren't even allowed past the CQ desk in the female barracks unless you had a valid reason for being in there and had an escort.

    For me that's how it should be. Yes I realize that by doing it like that we are "increasing" the risk of sexual issues but at the end of the day this is the Army. Army units work together, fight together, and live together. That's how cohesion is built. Completely alienating some of the SOLDIERS within a particular unit reduces unit cohesion.
     
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    Other than training situations, mixed male/female barracks were the norm. Obviously not sharing the same rooms but otherwise male and female rooms were not segregated within the barracks. Training situations were different, with a strict "doors must remain open at all times" policies. There is a lot you can still do with the door open though...:couple_inlove:
     
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    i did not know that, but Israel allows men and women in the military to share tents too.

    fornication appears to boost morale.
     
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    war movies depict real life events in the military, they are made in consultation with veterans and active duty heroes.

    the deep state uses them as psychological operations on the general public.
     
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    did they have relations in tents of the nerd part, or were disciplined with self restraint?
     
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    Oh good god! We have a real nutcase here I see!

    Then tell you what Skippy, take this up to the threads for movies. We adults down here in the military prefer to discuss the real world, not Hollywood fantasy.

    Oh, still waiting on those quotes from either the Geneva Convention or Hague Protocols.
     
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    Oh yeah...if there's a will there's a way....

    Many years ago when I was a junior NCO I was just casually walking around the FTX site at night and I heard some weird noises. I stop and listen...I step up onto the platform and open the lid and low and behold there were 2 Soldiers ****ing.....

    In the water buffalo....lol

    I was more impressed that they managed to both get themselves in there than I was upset lol

    Gotta love Soldiers....They spent the next 8 hours scrubbing that thing with bleach and they weren't even mad about it lol
     
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    Actually we really didn't need self restraint. The hygiene and long hours took care of that.
     
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    the downside is that it may distract from duty, back when America won wars only men fought.
     
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    were most of the males in the barracks white?
     
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    Could I ask where you are going with this?
     
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    were the barracks diverse with races?
     
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    Oh, that is easy.

    He is an idiot who never served a day in his life, yet knows all about what being in the military is like. And thinks we are all idiots and racists.

    I bet he does not even realize the military was desegregated by Executive Order 9981 in 1948.

    Or for any of us to have served in a segregated military, we would have to be in our 90s.
     
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    Americans do not want the military to be run by a woman, black, nor hispanic, most of top brass are white males with superior intellect.

    "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. Dwight D. Eisenhower"
     
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    The military promotes leadership at those levels based on merit and qualifications (usually). Unlike the civilian world the US military doesn't have time to play politically correct games and just stick unqualified and/or less qualified people into power for the sake of diversity. Literal lives are on the line.

    When I go to war I want the most qualified person making decisions whether they be black, white, male, female, or martian. If the most qualified individuals in top brass happen to be white males then so be it. There are VERY few black pilots in the military and even fewer female pilots, 95% or so of pilots are white males. Why? Because this $35+ million helicopter will literally kill you for incompetence and we aren't giving you the keys to one if you are only "close enough" to being qualified to operate it safely.
     
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    Of course. A segregated military ended decades before I showed up.
     
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    it appears you were right and i was wrong, America could still win wars.
     
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    It is also because it is a volunteer force, and they can only select those who volunteer to serve.

    A huge number of minority officers I served under are "Mustangs". They joined as enlisted, then got their college while serving and stayed in. The military has been trying to recruit minority officers for decades, to little success. The lure of money seems to be more important I guess.

    And even more telling than the Officer Corps, look to the senior NCO ranks to see this in action. I have actually served under relatively few "White" First Sergeants and Sergeant Majors. Over half of them have been Black, and more who were Hispanic than White.

    And right now, for the first time in over 13 years, my Battalion level commander is a "white male". I can list all of those I have served under with ease.

    Hispanic male
    Asian female
    Hispanic male
    Asian female
    White female
    Asian male
    Black male
    White male

    This is in the ranks of Lieutenant Colonel through Colonel. And as you say, they only look to abilities and willingness to serve. And most I serve with are very dismissive of things like "Affirmative Action". In fact, more than a few get outright offended by the very idea, implying they are only in their position because of that, and not their abilities.
     
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    I've noticed the exact same in regards to senior NCO's.

    As far as Officers go I think it's largely just a huge misconception among minorities who join. I did an airshow a few weeks ago and the majority of the young Soldiers who came to speak to me on the side were black. To put it frankly they were shocked that I was the one standing there in front of my helicopter. The number one question I was asked was "how did you do this Sir?" or even worse "I didn't think we could do stuff like this". My answer is I did it the same way everybody else does it....

    This is the same story everywhere I go. Whenever I show up to a new unit the minority crew chiefs are shocked. They've likely never seen a black pilot before because unfortunately we are very rare so since all they see are white pilots everywhere they just figured it was an exclusive club or something. I tell them all the same story of "how I did this" and my background and then the questions start rolling endlessly. They've never been told they CAN, they just assumed, by looking around them, that they couldn't. They see the minority senior NCO's are figure that's accessible, but they see no black officers so they think it's not.

    For some reason there is still a sentiment among many that the military is "supposed" to be like that. White Officers leading everyone else and many minorities just assume that's "how it is". It's a sad reality but so many young black Soldiers sell themselves short based purely on misconceptions and having never had anyone tell them otherwise.

    But as I said we can't force it. My career field IS an exclusive club but it's based on qualifications not race or gender. We simply cannot afford to let someone in who isn't fully qualified, they will literally die. And since 95% of those who apply are white males then that's what we have. I had a good buddy in flight school who was black and he simply couldn't cut it. He was smart, he passed all the written tests but he simply couldn't grasp the concept of how to fly a helicopter. He took like 2 or 3 tries at every stage checkride and he finally got to a point where they just couldn't keep "pushing him through" so after he failed the advanced airframe checkride multiple times they washed him out and made him a UAV guy. It's not personal, they tried their best with him but he just couldn't do it and it would have been detrimental to the force and extremely dangerous to just let him slide through due to us having virtually no black pilots. We can't operate like that.
     
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    honorable soldiers are disciplined with restraint, they do not fight someone around the corner for bumping into them.

    this bud is the type of guy who tortures civilians in war zones, you have weakened a country by allowing him to evade manslaughter charges.
     
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