Not sure I follow but as per your previous comment - If the doctor is acting on the orders of the Mother - his liability is mitigated.
My purpose in these forums is to expose the many ways the unborn can be injured, not killed as in abortion. And to discuss how those who cause those injuries can be held accountable if the injured is not a person at the time of injury. One of the ways I can envision harming of the unborn is if some cult like authoritarian state similar to the Nazis started doing something to the DNA of its citizens, maybe even with the mother's consent. That would still be wrong, and probably so wrong that many countries would fight a war over something like that. But why?
[Comment to blue] What about pregnant women that: Smoke cigarettes, Takes drugs, Drinks alcohol regularly, Eats unhealthy foods, Etc. [Comment to red] The Nazis were experimenting with all kinds of DNA in an effort to "create the perfect human specimen". There is much controversy today as people are electing to make "designer babies". https://www.technologyreview.com/2018/10/22/139478/are-we-designing-inequality-into-our-genes/ I interned for a local politician when I was in college. They took the stance that children's rights don't matter because they don't vote. People give a ton of lip service to the "best interests of the child" but very few actually implement that in real life. I'm specifically thinking about abusive cops that rush in and create all kinds of chaos for families while they overlook the child/ren present. It's barbaric. My point is I doubt that anything involving the mistreatment, abuse and/ or neglect of a baby or child (a living person) will lead to war. Nobody cares what happens to children and we as a society are complicit in unleashing these broken adults into the world.
There is nowhere in the Bible forbidding a woman from terminating her pregnancy. Not one single verse. Not everyone believes in adoption. And do let us know when YOUR body will suffer the effects of pregnancy and childbirth.
If a woman is pregnant and denied the ability to obtain an abortion at even the earliest points she is forced into carrying it against her will.
Were women denied the ability to obtain an abortion prior to abortion being performed in the health system as a medical procedure?
The closest I can find in the Bible of the value of the unborn is this: Exodus 21: 22 to 25 22 “If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise. It would therefore seem that the life of the mother is valued over the life of her unborn child but also not of no value either. But I don’t see how ancient Israel law is applicable today anyway as we now eat pork and mix linens.
Well, you say that there's a moral argument in favour of abortion. So do you think that there's a moral argument in favour of murder?
I have no idea if women had regular access to means terminating their pregnancy prior to this being done safely in a clinical setting. I also don’t know if this was something prosecuted but I suspect not.
None of that matters. Any women who had one of these abortions was not FORCED into carrying a baby against her will, was she?
No, she could also terminate the pregnancy through suicide. But if the person doing the procedure is subject to criminal prosecution for doing it then she is denied the capacity to terminate unless she is also prepared to be complicit in a criminal action.
And as I pointed out, she could also choose to terminate via her own suicide. A person robbed at gun point could refuse to surrender his money and face the consequences delivered by the robber. A person on parole can decide to continue criminal actions. Within these frames of reference, literally no one can be forced to do anything.
Well I don't know why that's relevant, but if a woman did that, while unbelievably tragic, it would be her choice. Well yeah, I mean there's always a choice isn't there?
Then by your definition, no one can be forced to do anything. A Greek girl I met in Amsterdam told me that even the Nazis could not force anyone to do anything because suicide was always an option. So suicide is relevant.
