Male-only draft is constitutional

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  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    I'll admit, I wasn't expecting this result.

    Federal appeals court: Male-only draft is constitutional

    A federal appeals court in New Orleans upheld the constitutionality of the all-male military draft system Thursday, citing a 1981 U.S. Supreme Court decision.

    In a decision that overturned a 2019 ruling by a Texas-based federal judge, a panel of the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans said “only the Supreme Court may revise its precedent.”


    The case was argued in March and was the result of a lawsuit by the National Coalition for Men and two men challenging the male-only draft. They argued that the 1981 case was decided at a time when women were largely absent from combat.

    Thursday's unanimous ruling from the three-judge panel acknowledged that “the factual underpinning of the controlling Supreme Court decision has changed. However, the judges noted, “that does not grant a court of appeals license to disregard or overrule that precedent.”

    I think this could still be overturned at the Supreme Court level. It's not as if the court hasn't changed it's mind before. But I'll admit I assumed that the Appeals court would have gone against this.
     
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    Well, it is in the 5th Circuit Court. If it has been in the 6th Circus Court, it might have been different.

    And yea, makes sense to me. Of course, then you have the other side which is rather insane in the first place.
     
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    So if an individual born with a cervix decides to be a man, would he have to comply with selective service?
    And if an individual born without a cervix decides to be a woman, is she exempt?

    Hmmm................
     
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    No, they should be ineligible for having a mental illness.

    I do not even give a damn if somebody born a human decides they are really a dog and want to be in the K9 corps. Mental illness, not eligible to serve even if they want to.
     
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    In Iran there are some men pretending to be transexual to get out of military service duty. But they are subject to very degrading treatments and invasive inspections of their lives to prove they are so, to discourage fakers.
     
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    In Iran, they would not even bother. They would just hang them from the nearest construction crane. If they did not throw them off of the roof of a building.

    Remember, that is a nation that publicly executed a 16 year old girl who was raped for "morality crimes".
     
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    An Jehovah's Witness told me that they bent over backwards to try to deny his objector status during Vietnam but never could find anything. Said they were even going back interviewing elementary school teachers trying to find something showing he was not a life-long adherent to his faith.
     
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    I wouldn't want to make this call either.

    The options are:
    -draft women into combat
    or
    -draft no one into combat
    or
    -rule that women aren't equal to men

    The SC just **** their britches at this one coming at em.
     
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    Does this set a precedent that separate can be equal?

    If so, Brown v. Board of Education may have already been essentially overturned, without anyone realizing it.
     
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    Is there talk of renewing a military draft in the United States?
     
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    Women should not be allowed in, period, drafted or volunteered, for a number of reasons. It is a good ruling imo, and just common sense. the main reason there was so much whining over women joining the service was because of the bennies offered to recruits, and the Armed Services were turned into a jobs and college tuition program. Like in civilian life, they just take the easiest slots away from career soldiers who might need to move to easier jobs due to injuries and wounds or just old age creeping up on them but can still do something useful and already tuned in to the systems.

    Just do what a lot of other countries do, and require some sort of public service for all citizens; not everybody will fit in a military organization, and there are other kinds of service to our country besides combat arms. Don't want to serve, then no bennies. Pretty easy, really, as the number of service organizations in the U.S. shows.
     
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    They essentially turn all AA and 'equal opportunity' programs into quota systems, because of laziness and the fact that real life does not distribute competence and ability exactly equally among any group, race, or sex, and never has. Nature says men are more expendable, since one man can knock up any number of women, and women already have more health risks than men to begin with, especially in childbirth, so common sense and Nature itself says you keep women out of harm's way as much as possible.

    Nobody need give a squat whether that is 'fair' or not; that narrative is a lot of pseudo-intellectual rubbish invented to let women in on the bennies and pay for college. There are other ways to do that without screwing with the military.
     
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    Only by anti-military Democrats.

    Nobody in the military has asked for, nor wants one.
     
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    Not at all, because that was based upon race. And there is no difference between races.

    But almost nobody with half a brain tries to claim there are no differences between sexes. If that was the case, we would have no women sports, no women only schools, just get rid of sex separated bathrooms and locker rooms.

    One does not mean the other, not even close.
     
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    Agreed. It was a disaster in Vietnam. Just created soldiers who didn’t care at all.
     
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    Yes. Name me one woman anywhere who wants unisex bathrooms as the standard. Dangerous and of course the ick factor.
     
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    So if it was proved there were racial differences, "separate = equal" would be okay?
    I don't think you realize that your reasoning here is ultimately completely senseless, if we follow its inevitable train of logic.

    Currently they're working on "proving" there are no female/male differences, so what will happen then, eh?
     
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    Define "woman".
     
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    Not so. Soldiers cared deeply about increasing their chances of getting on the bird home. LBJ knew the USA would lose but sent more and more troops anyway. They got him on tape. It was rot at the very top.
     
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    Product of Israel's Male/Female forced military service program ...

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    Just say'n ...
     
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    Heh, I think that may depend on the administration!
     
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    If I were Iranian, I think I would just go ahead and serve. I understand that the Iranian policy on Transexuals is to assume they were supposed to be women and get the surgery.

    Even Klinger would keep his mouth shut under those circumstances.
     
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    No but selective service is still a thing, and for men, you have to register for selective service to be eligible for federal student loans.

    It seems to me that women should be obliged to do the same thing since we now have combat arms fields open to women.
     
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    Not for nothing, but women's sports is probably on the way out due to multiple rulings allowing transmen to play on women's teams. There is really no reason to have sex separate sports teams when there is no longer a national consensus on what sex is, or means.
     
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    We have a population of some 340 million. Israel has a population of what?

    Israel is surrounded by sociopath genocidal Islamists who outnumber them by a large margin, we're surrounded by Prozac munching Canucks and pot head mestizos, and the occasional Haitian. Vast difference in circumstances and needs.

    And, my wife looks almost as good as that pic, is a better shot than I am, and she's in her late 50's. Never been in the military, but any fool who tries to mug or rape her, she will kill them dead without any hesitation, whether she's armed or not.
     
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