Harris and VP Biden call for mandatory face masks

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  1. Jestsayin

    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    These reasons and the fact people just wad up their mask and throw it in the glove compartment until they get to the next storefront.
    Used properly they can work
    Used improperly they may provide marginal protection but there are plenty of people that will argue that point.
    https://health.usnews.com/conditions/articles/do-face-masks-work-types-and-effectiveness
    https://www.rcreader.com/commentary...f-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy
     
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    Wagging the dog. That's what it really comes down to. And it's it ironic that while calling for those requirements, neither Creepy Joe or Knee pads were actually wearing a mask? That seems, well, typical of the pejorative do as we say crowd.

    I suppose then social distancing doesn't work as well? Is there ANY science to back up these ridiculous demands from the "oooh... protect us from "those" people crowd?

    And that is really all it is. Folks like Joe live for the plantation, and the people being sick really doesn't bother them as long as the people can't harm them. Once folks understand that actually is the model democrats live by, they will understand their value to the democratic elite is pretty slim.
     
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    Nope. Still wrong.

    Size matters, but not how you think

    But that’s not the only logical flaw in this claim.

    The N95 filter indeed is physically around the 0.3 micron size. But that doesn’t mean it can only stop particles larger than that. The masks are actually best for particles either larger or smaller than that 0.3 micron threshold.

    “N95 have the worst filtration efficiency for particles around 0.3,” Marr said. “If you’re smaller than that those are actually collected even better. It’s counterintuitive because masks do not work like sieving out larger particles. It’s not like pasta in a colander, and small ones don’t get through.”
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    The COVID-19 particle is indeed around 0.1 microns in size, but it is always bonded to something larger.

    “There is never a naked virus floating in the air or released by people,” said Linsey Marr, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Virginia Tech who specializes in airborne transmission of viruses.

    N95 masks actually have that name because they are 95% efficient at stopping particles in their least efficient particle size range — in this case those around 0.3 microns.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...too-large-stop-covid-19-particles/5343537002/
     
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    Liberals still seem to believe that wearing the mask will prevent the mask wearer from getting the virus. Simple, stupid, reactionary. Everything liberals are known for. Hell, we still have folks on these boards that will demand that you listen to them still blabbing that a mask will protect you.
     
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    Trump should pardon all black men as reparations
     
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    Sigh. Who wants to go shopping for hours on end? Yikes. I can be in/out of the grocery store in 15 minutes.

    You got a $300 fine for not wearing a mask when you were completely alone and isolated? Where do you live?
     
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    This part is correct... Some virus will indeed get on the mask and the fibers within it, but that virus still gets spread around all the same from inhaling/exhaling, and from physical contact with the mask as well as removing the mask for food/water/etc... We're also not considering any of the negative (or potentially negative) effects of prolonged mask wearing...

    Too bad ancient cultures didn't think about wrapping some clothing around their face to stop/prevent the spread of viruses to stop the bubonic plague, the spanish flu, ebola, etc... Too bad the American Indians didn't think of wrapping clothing around their faces to stop themselves from getting smallpox...

    In the end, I'm in support of letting people decide what they feel is best for them. If they wish to wear a mask around everywhere (and think that it benefits them to do so), then great! Go right on ahead! If they don't wish to wear a mask around everywhere (and maybe even think that there is little to no benefit of doing so), then that's perfectly fine as well... People should have the right to make their own health care decisions.

    The government tyranny is what I hate and oppose the most about this issue, but they're doing this to ultimately achieve their one-world government agenda via CREATING the "problem", FUNDING/SUPPORTING the mass irrational response to the "problem", and MANDATING the "solution" to the "problem"... and whablam, more power and control over the world populace, driven by fear mongering and the subsequent surrendering of rights/freedoms/liberties in exchange for "safety" and "peace"...
     
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    Biden's recommendation that "Every single American should be wearing a mask when they're outside for the next three months at a minimum. Every governor should mandate mandatory mask-wearing," is consistent with the best medical advice for preventing the ongoing spread of Covid-19 under the lax and permissive policies of Trumpery. Patriotism and social responsibility demand no less. Anti-American and anti-social elements who refuse to wear masks - or pants for that matter - cannot be permitted to indulge their contrarian whims unless they do so in private.

    The Centers for Disease Control has recommended people wear masks, calling the practice critical to getting the virus under control.

    "Cloth face coverings are one of the most powerful weapons we have to slow and stop the spread of the virus – particularly when used universally within a community setting. All Americans have a responsibility to protect themselves, their families, and their communities,"
    Trump's CDC Director Dr. Robert R. Redfield said in a statement announcing the recommendation in July.
     
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    It doesn't matter who the POTUS is anymore, approximately 25% of the citizens will consider him/her, "not my president."

    Partisans.
     
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    Because what you do effects others when you are in a public place around others then I have no problem with the state or local government issuing the mandate and as much giving the private businesses cover to enforce even for their own employees. If the store requires it and you refuse then go elsewhere or order off line. But it remains a percentage thing not a 100% but even lowering from 18% to 3% is substantial. And no I don't believe the mask will lead to tyranny by the government.

    The main point here is the once again Biden's "plan" in reality is what we are already doing or what even if he were President not something he could do as in tell every citizen exactly when they will get their vaccine. And then after making these proclamations he and Harris ran off stage taking no questions about it.
     
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    My data science modeling nerd would take exception to that.

    He's been predicting customer response rates for corporations for the last 15 years. Example: "If you mail X offer to these people, it will bring in $200 Million in revenue." He usually got within 2 or so million.

    Building models is difficult, but not impossible. It just takes talented analysts. It's very easy for a restaurant owner, for example, to predict how much of each type of product to purchase for the next week. If they couldn't, how could they remain profitable?

    Extrapolation models are not 100% perfect, but if done right, they can get close.
     
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    Good ole Fox news
     
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    Yes what we are ALREADY DOING. And the Govenors and local officials are best at judging the extent of those mandates which are entirely different for a New York city and a rancher in Wyoming. He said

    ""Let's institute a mask mandate, nationwide, starting immediately—and we will save lives." Prefaced by his whenever someone is "outside". Again a one size fits all is not necessary and what about "inside"

    So why didn't Biden and Harris take any questions to further explain what exactly is this mandate for anytime someone is outside going to entail? What about if they are INSIDE someplace? What if they are in their car?
     
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    You can't answer those questions for yourself?
     
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    I got the spray sanitizer in the car and when I come out of one store I spray it. When I get home take it in and into the dirty clothes hamper.
     
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    It's HIS plan not my plan I don't speak for him, why did he and Harris run instead of answering questions about their plan?
     
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    He said he was going to rely on the science. Did you see any scientists there?
    But your post is just a troll, because you know the answers to your own questions and know how they would be answered.
     
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    He had just spoken with them and it is HIS plan not THEIR plan, if you know the answers then post them Biden ran away from having to do so.
     
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    I'm sure that Trump's CDC that prescribes Americans all wear masks, noting that "All Americans have a responsibility to protect themselves, their families, and their communities," will be happy to answer any specific question you might have.

    If Biden and Harris diverge from the CDC's recommendations at some time in the future, that could become a problem for them.
     
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    No.
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    Tell it to Joe and his plan then.
     
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    The level of ignorance and selfishness in this retort is why the US is suffering the worst consequences of the pandemic and will continue to do so.

    Masks aren't about healthy people, dude, they're for asymptomatic infected people who can spread it and not be sick themselves. Like aids, you can't always tell who is infected until it's to late.

    And the amount and distance of virus spewed by someone with a mask is much less than without a mask, so they reduce the potential virus loads that others can inhale. Virus load is a major factor in morbidity, or hadn't you heard?

    The basic problem is that people like you only care about themselves and will latch on to any demagogic bullshit to rationalize their selfishness.
     
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    Good choice. One of the advantages of Fox News is that you can get both sides of each issue and yell at the TV when someone with a different opinion to yours speaks.
     
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    That's false, Fox news is catered for Trump and Trump only, that is why he goes ballistic if they deviate from him.
     
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