Donald Trump to Suspend Payroll Tax Until End of 2020

No, I don't. I am not a conspiracy theory nutter. It will be around for at least another year.

 

What is the difference between a "minuscule" risk and zero risk?

 

Conspiracies are one of those "myth things". Right?

"As of Sunday, the latest death rate in Sweden (deaths per 100,000 people) was reported to be 56.40. The figure is lower than that reported in the U.K. (69.60), Spain (60.8 and Italy (58.16), according to the latest report Sunday by Johns Hopkins University."

"Sweden's latest case-fatality ratio (portion of deaths compared to total cases) was reported to be 7.1 percent. The figure is more than half the percentage reported in the U.K. (15.1 percent), half that of Italy and Belgium (each reporting 14.2 percent) and nearly half that of France (13.4 percent), according to Johns Hopkins University."
NEWSWEEK, Sweden COVID-19 Death Rate Lower Than Spain, Italy and U.K., Despite Never Having Lockdown, By Soo Kim 8/3/2020.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...-uk-despite-never-having-lockdown/ar-BB17vdej

 

Zero is absolute. There can be a large difference.

So who claimed ZERO? Besides tRUMP. And it's not risk he said was ZERO. He said 15 cases we had at the time will be ZERO.
It will magically disappear.

Name the expert(s) who made those claims that you and the other poster claim he is quoting.

 

What point you trying to make?

Sweden is but one small fairly isolated country.

Similar to perhaps North Dakota?

 

No, with respect to the risk from a virus the difference between zero and minuscule is insignificant.
The feigned partisan outrage of Trump's hard core opposition is now quickly dismissed by ordinary Americans who have seen the act too often to be fooled by it.

 

No, Sweden is not small and it is certainly not isolated. Look at a map of Scandinavia.

"The professor whose grim warning that 500,000 Brits may die from Covid-19 without action triggered lockdown has admitted Sweden may have suppressed its outbreak as well as Britain - without imposing the draconian measures."
THE DAILY MAIL, Neil Ferguson whose grim warnings prompted Boris Johnson to order TOTAL LOCKDOWN admits Sweden may have suppressed Covid-19 to the same level but WITHOUT draconian measures,
Professor admitted there is lessons to be learned from Sweden moving forward
Sweden dodged major crisis without locking down and seeing economy implode,
Professor Ferguson's team predicted staggering amount of UK deaths in March
Modelling thought to have single-handedly shocked UK into imposing lockdown,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Ferguson-admits-greatest-respect-Sweden.html

 

Lol
Wow. So how is covering preexisting conditions helping anyone considering it's already law?
I dont see the payroll tax loan as anything but that. It is going to get some ppl in trouble. Ppl live paycheck to paycheck spending when they get. What will probably happen is they will forget then do their taxes and be like wth I owe taxes.
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Sweden I dunno what to say about that country and tbh I know you are using them as a example but they were going for herd immunity and failed at that drastically and now the virus is even going away. It really doesnt make much sense.

 

It's in his testimony.

 

Sweden did not lockdown and it has done better than many countries that did shut down their economies.
Conclusion: Sweden did the right thing.

"In part because its Constitution doesn’t allow a state of emergency except in wartime, Sweden’s (left-leaning) government simply asked its citizens to do prudent social distancing. Restaurants and other businesses never closed, though the economy still took a big hit."
NEW YORK POST, The World Health Organization’s Swedish flip-flop, By Post Editorial Board April 30, 2020. (*** mine)
https://nypost.com/2020/04/30/the-world-health-organizations-swedish-flip-flop/

It is time to take government's power to declare emergencies except in wartime.
Never tempt the inner tyrant in most professional politicians.

 

Did they?

Reas this article

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...trategy-a-cautionary-tale-or-a-success-story/

The economy still shrank due to less spending. Compare sweeden to the rest of the EU and they didnt do as well as most countries.
I will say clearly lockdowns do not work here in the US for a effective lockdown means just that lockDOWN. When going to work during the lockdown there wasnt that much difference in traffic. There were tons of ppl still going places and some of the businesses that were supposed to be **** down still operated out their backdoor.
On one hand the backdoor businesses I can understand because they dont want to go under but they were still breaking the order.
Like I said before Asian countries have gotten it down pact since this by far is not their first but here in the states there are just too many that dont give a f. It also didnt help thst our president was making every little thing political.
From cheering on protests against lockdowns in Dem states only but didnt say anything to ones like here in Ohio only Michigan and pa.
To the whole mask and him saying that you suffocate with one on which has been proven false.

 

Lockdowns will never work. Swedens economy took a hit because it is linked t.o the world economy. A lockdown would have made the economic hit far worse.

"In our current media climate it is not often mentioned that national and international lockdowns in response to a virus outbreak are completely unprecedented in world history, and that this is for good reason. Not even in war time did Western governments impose such severe restrictions on citizens’ personal liberties (churches and schools largely stayed open in the United Kingdom during World War II). And it is not just our liberty that we are losing, but our livelihoods and our young people’s futures. It will be young people and struggling working-class families who will bear the burden of the economic aftermath of this policy and who will have to pay back these forced Covid-19 subsidy loans that are being thrust upon us after being forced out of work by government fiat, through economic depression and inevitable austerity over many years. Multi-billion dollar socialism for mismanaged corporations and banks will certainly continue unabated, and ordinary people will be made to foot the bill once again, just as we did in 2008. If we continue with varying levels of lockdown until the end of the summer (and perhaps beyond), we are guaranteed to have destroyed generations of human potential. We on the left should have seen this coming months ago, and we should actively be resisting the lockdowns which caused it."
LOCKDOWN SCEPTICS, The Left-Wing Case Against Lockdowns, By Mr Alexis FitzGerald, 14 May 2020.
https://lockdownsceptics.org/the-left-wing-case-against-lockdowns/

 

They might have even been needed if trump didnt deny it or think no real harm could come out of it.
Remember the crash happened BEFORE the lockdowns.

Instead of brushing it off trump could have gotten tearing setup and started getting stuff that would be needed just in case. But no he golfed and did rallies and talked about how it's a democratic hoax

 

Not talking about risk.
tRUMP said 15 cases will soon be ZERO.
You and another poster claim tRUMP was only repeating expert(s) words.

Neither you or the other poster can cite the expert that said those words. Never have, never will. tRUMP made that up all on his own.

 

The lockdown caused the crash. The Dow was still above 27,000 in mid February.

The emergency medical supplies were drawn down during the Obama administration.
As I recall Biden was involved in the decision not to replace them.

"(CNN)In at least 10 government reports from 2003 to 2015, federal officials predicted the United States would experience a critical lack of ventilators and other lifesaving medical supplies if it faced a viral outbreak like the one currently sweeping the country."
CNN, Federal officials repeatedly warned that US hospitals lacked enough ventilators, By Majlie de Puy Kamp, CNN Investigates, CNN's Curt Devine contributed to this report, March 27, 2020.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/cnn1...vernment-warnings-coronavirus-invs/index.html

Governments tend to suck. Bigly.
That's why it is always a mistake to trust them to ever do the right thing.

 

IOW, you are still arguing about the significance of the difference between "minuscule" and zero.
Hint: insignificant.

 

Let’s stop withholding, let’s spend it, and then, let’s hope the 116th or 117th Congress will legislate a forgiveness plan.

SS shortfalls will be funded by Mnuchin’s General Account/Public debt.

Response from Trump’s cult members (formerly fiscal conservatives); Cool!

 

would not hold my breath - Republicans would never agree unless corps or the rich got a mega tax cut attached

 

Trump declares a national emergency, shuts down the economy and now the right is saying Trump was wrong all along, the threat was minuscule?

 

They already have sued him.

 

Get your facts straight.
Fauci called the threat "minuscule".

 

So tRUMP didn't listen to the experts then?

 

Nope. You are arguing it. Something that was not part of the topic. You are on your own.

 

You are arguing about the difference between "zero" and "minuscule".
IOW, you are arguing over something - something that is slightly less than nothing.
You can get farther spending an hour on peleton.com, but the difference would still be minuscule.