The Bible Condones Slavery

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  1. Durandal

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    Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.
    --Colossians 3:22

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
    --Ephesians 6:5

    Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God. But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
    --1 Peter 2:18-21​

    Old and New Testament alike, the Bible fully endorses slavery and encourages slaves to be obedient. The Confederates used such passes to justify and defend slavery as an institution. Yet we are often told that the Bible is some kind of authoritative source of moral teaching. It has many faults beyond just this issue, but this one is quite glaring and quite relevant to current events.
     
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    "The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

    "I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law."
    --Luke 12:47 - 53​

    This is Jesus going from condoning slavery straight into predicting what he would do to America in 2016-2020 :(
     
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    You misinterpret both meanings. Jesus doesn't doing anything. We the people are. And, we will be judged by our own actions. As far as slaves in the olden days, Jesus was not in favor of slavery then either. But, he did not come to save the world from tyrants and worldly conflicts. He came to atone for our sins. At his second coming he will stop the wicked armies of the world and the tyrants. Then there will be peace during the Millennium. So, why did he and the apostles tell slaves to follow their taskmasters? So they would not be physically and mentally beaten and killed.
     
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    Clearly the solution is for BLM to burn Bibles on national TV. That will get Trump!
     
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    They're as likely to be Christians and bible-believers as the typical trumper, but at least they're probably less hypocritical about it.
     
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    But Jesus never said one word against slavery, but instead condoned it wholeheartedly. You are adding your own interpretation to the Bible to feel better about what it says. Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and so on.
     
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    The Bible is an ancient ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tale that places the Jews above everyone else. It teaches that Gentiles will be slaves in Israel and that Gentiles are animals, beasts, and spit. That philosophy is carried over to the Jewish Babylonian Talmud that says that each Jew will have 2,800 Gentile slaves in the afterlife. Since most people have never read it they believe the fairy tale because some loud-mouthed preacher yaks about how a Jewish lich is going to save their souls and give them eternal life. It is a great deal for those who want to be slaves for eternity.
     
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    Ha! Yes I"m sure those devout fellows using lasers to blind deputies are all about Jesus. It's literally an eye for an eye!

    You guys kill me!
     
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    Not quite. The New Testament is all about pacifism which is why it tells slaves to obey their masters. The Old Testament has a lot of crazy stuff but Christians don't believe it applies anymore. While Jesus didn't say anything about slavery directly, it is pretty clear from his general philosophy that you shouldn't own slaves.
     
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    Jesus character said that if you don't kiss his butt all the time that he will toss you into the fire. That sounds like he is promoting slavery with himself as the slave master.
     
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    Something interesting of note about the NT texts is that they were composed during or soon after the Judeo-Roman war that saw the temple destroyed and the Jewish people scattered. It seems to have incorporated religious ideas from various regions surrounding Israel and from Rome, and seems to be pretty much a pro-Roman work which, like you say, focuses on pacifism. The cult at the time wasn't just relying on writings, of course, and appears to have been a movement to calm the situation and appease the zealots who were waging the ancient Jewish version of jihad against Rome for their "abominations" and such, which are also mentioned in NT texts. One text that kind of stands out is Apocalypse (Revelation), however, as it regards Rome as a new Babylon and imagines it falling and burning, along with a lot of fantastic events culminating in the end of the world.
     
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    The Bible also condones genocide.
     
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    Are you able to read and comprehend anything? Here is my post again, "You misinterpret both meanings. Jesus doesn't doing anything. We the people are. And, we will be judged by our own actions. As far as slaves in the olden days, Jesus was not in favor of slavery then either. But, he did not come to save the world from tyrants and worldly conflicts. He came to atone for our sins. At his second coming he will stop the wicked armies of the world and the tyrants. Then there will be peace during the Millennium. So, why did he and the apostles tell slaves to follow their taskmasters? So they would not be physically and mentally beaten and killed."

    Stop trying to use your 21st Century altruism ideals for other time periods. You do the same thing to our Founding Fathers trying to start a new nation conceived in a different kind of liberty. Jesus Christ did not come to fight the Romans or any other nation's governments. This was not his mission during his 1st Coming. Do you understand? Nor was it the time for him to condemn worldly governments. His purpose was to teach the Doctrine of the New and Everlasting Covenant. To atone for our sins. Not to attack the laws of governments including slavery. So, he simply taught his apostles to tell slaves to endure slavery, do the work and don't cause problems that would lead to their torture and death. Your sickening altruism cancel culture is destroying our liberties and freedoms including for all races and religions.
     
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    Once again a showing of 21st Century altruism cancel culture upon those things that happened centuries and millennials ago. Along with that sick way of looking at history the Bible doesn't condone a thing. It's history of the people in those days and what they understood and were guided by. I would say that today, the liberals, the liberal leftist media, the Democrats and atheists are all conspiring to stamp out the history of Hitler, Mao and Stalin. The reason is they want Marxism and Darwinism to be their guiding ideals for all of mankind. Since the genocidal maniacs of the 20th century were Marxist and fascists, something all three had in common, they have to be remembered as good old rulers. So, that is what they teach in the universities now and also in the lower grades as well. And, they replace those tyrants with our Founding Fathers. Sick, sick, sick!!!
     
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    Please post him saying so.
     
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    Ah nope doesn't work.
     
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    Or condemn it.
     
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    Once again, you are showing your illiteracy again. He didn't come to condemn governments and their laws. So, why would he say something against their laws? Duh... But, go ahead and keep showing everyone your illiteracy. What you are doing is trying to put words in the Lord's mouth. just like the Jewish religious leaders tried to do.
     
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    So you hate altruism. Got it.
     
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    Because slavery is wrong. And I think he would be against it.
     
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    And, that is exactly what I said that Jesus would be against it. But, that wasn't the battle he came to fight. I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to understand this. He came not to change the law but to fulfill it. He came to establish his church with his doctrines and new commandments. Not to fight with governments of the world like Roman. You are hung up on slavery for some reason. Why? It still goes on today in other countries and in the large inner cities of the United States in the form of welfare ridden black and hispanic ghettos run by liberal Marxist Democrats. Yet, the liberal Marxist Democrats and mostly atheists don't care about those people stuck and pacified with welfare. It's a form of slavery. Why don't you complain about that?
     
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    It's clear that Christianity and the Bible should be denounced at the Democratic convention this week as promoting Genocide and Slavery. It should probably be denounced in the party platform.
     
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    Yes it's hard to understand why Jesus would not say anything against slavery if he was against it. And welfare is not slavery.
     
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    You sure do yak about crap you have no knowledge of...
    “Thus Joshua struck all the land, the hill country and the Negev and the lowland and the slopes and all their kings. He left no survivor, but he utterly destroyed all who breathed, just as the Lord, the God of Israel, had commanded…. He left nothing undone of all that the Lord had commanded Moses.” (Joshua. 10:40, 11:15)
     
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