What is a racist?

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  1. Conservative Democrat

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    The definition of "racist" I grew up with is that racists have two characteristics. First, racists believe that their race is superior to all the other races. Second, racists dislike or even hate members of other races, regardless of the individual characteristics of those members.

    Is that definition sufficient, or do you believe that racists have additional characteristics?

    Would you say that Charles Murray is a racist?

    http://www.iapsych.com/wj3ewok/LinkedDocuments/Murray2005.pdf

    Is Jared Taylor a racist?

    https://www.amren.com/news/2014/01/race-differences-in-intelligence-2/

    Is J. Philippe Rushton a racist?

    http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Race.htm
     
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    That's the same definition I grew up with. Unfortunately today "racist" is the default insult to hurl when one runs out reason to back up their arguments.
     
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    There are many flavors of racism, some on the far right, some on the far left, some in between.

    What you described is the far right approach. The far left racism is more nuanced, harder to detect. In a nutshell: the whiter the skin, the more advanced and democratic the society, the more the far left hates it all.

    Identity politics, practiced by both far left and far right, also contain elements of racism, because members of certain groups are seen as identical in all aspects.

    I'm always dumbfounded both by accusations of racism leveled by the virulently racist far left at the far right, and by the inability of the far right to understand the racism of the other extreme.

    Consider this: anyone who thinks certain groups of people should behave in a certain way toward other group or groups of people based mainly on physical characteristics and ancestry, is a racist. Anyone who has lower/higher expectations from certain group or groups of people based mainly on physical characteristics and ancestry, is a racist. Anyone who thinks all members of a certain group of people should behave in a certain way based mainly on physical characteristics and ancestry, is a racist.


    Somehow we are all a bit racist, at least some of the time.
     
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    racism is power + prejudice.
     
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    When I was young we’d yell you have Cooties! Things haven’t changed all that much.
     
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    Prejudice is when we make assumptions without thought, knowledge, or reason. If someone comes to a racial conclusion based on thought, knowledge or reason, but doesn't use power to enforce their racial ideology, they would not be racist by your definition.
     
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    I have to disagree with you. When a group that says Black Lives Matter is offended when someone else says ALL Lives Matter, the left is pretty well being blatant about their racism.
     
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    While they usually do, such belief isn't necessary to be racist.

    Again, while they usually do, such dislike/hate isn't necessary to be racist.

    There's a better definition. A racist is simply any person who continually commits the logical fallacy of racism. Yes, racism is quite simply a logical fallacy (although it's a rather nasty one). Now, what exactly is racism?

    Racism is a compositional error. A compositional error occurs whenever one improperly extends a property of an element in a class across the entire class or to the class itself. Racism is a specific form of this fallacy in which the class is 'people' and the property is a 'physical trait' (such as skin color).
     
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    Sadly, this is very true. Leftists love to use this word as an insult (and as a buzzword)... both are logical fallacies. They also love to project their own racism onto others, which is yet another couple of logical fallacies.

    You will find that many leftists outright deny logic.
     
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    Racism is not a "flavor"; it is a logical fallacy.

    There is no "far right approach" to racism. Racism is racism. Either one committed the logical fallacy or they didn't...

    There is no "far left [approach to] racism" either... Racism is racism. Either one committed the logical fallacy or they didn't...

    Yup. That's racism.

    Identity politics CAN be racist, but it isn't necessarily racist. Racism is not required to pander to a certain group of people.

    There are racists on both sides of the political isle, although the far left has many more of them.
     
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    A form of bigotry based on race. Making assumptions about an individual or group based on race, like your list of heroes.
     
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    Thank you. That is the correct definition.
     
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    Hate + the power to exercise your hate = racism.
    This is another way to define it.
     
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    its funny trying to see whites define racism when theyve never experienced it. white privilege for you, think they have authorship over everything, disgraceful attitude.
     
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    So some eighty year old guy that rails against black people is not a racist because he has no power to enforce it?

    Yeah, I'm being a little bit facetious. I just think the word racist has been over-used, abused, and now is just a boogey man word. I have been called a "racist" by both sides. I've been called me a race traitor and a white racist by the same poster in the same thread. Actually it's happened more than once. I find it hilarious.

    Actually I'm not offended by either side. One group carries a sign that says Black Lives Matter and another group parades around with Confederate flags. When they end up in neighborhoods that don't get their boxers in a bunch and stop them, I am thankful for the places where you have that Freedom.
     
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    Speak for yourself there pilgrim (imagine I'm doing a cheesy John Wayne imitation). I'm white; have had NO white privilege and have had to deal with anti-white racism most of my life.
     
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    The old "only whites can be racist" angle?
     
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    Didn't you just try to define it ? Are you not white? And your definition makes no sense. Power + prejudice is overly broad and power is not needed in the definition. One can be prejudiced against a person's social status, a religion, a political belief, a profession and on and on. I had a family member (non-white) who hated Filipinos. He was a racist and he had no "power". Obviously racism with power is the worst case scenario.
     
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    It's a teachable moment. I would love to learn what form this anti-white racism has taken most of your life.
     
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    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/racism
    policies, behaviours, rules, etc. that result in a continued unfair advantage to some people and unfair or harmful treatment of others based on race :
    harmful or unfair things that people say, do, or think based on the belief that their own race makes them more intelligent, good, moral, etc. than people of other races :

    I think that is pretty clear. And, quite a step away from what many try to paint everyone with lighter skin with today.
     
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    So someone can only experience it, to know what it is? That would pretty much blow up some of the liberals who believe they do know what it is.

    So if I say hi to a POC, but not to a non-POC under the same circumstances, is that racist? I'm treating the POC differently then the non-POC.

    Until the time comes that people can read minds, declaring that non-POC can't possibly know what racism is, is false.
     
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    Fair enough, I will teach you.

    1970s I'm laid off by from my job and despite having the experience I am not brought back because the government requires businesses to have X number of blacks, Y number of women, etc. in order to get contracts. Inexperienced minorities were hired in our stead

    1980s I'm denied a seat in college due to the fact that "minorities" had to make up a set percentage of new enrollments

    Starting at the 1970s, I have been around for busing, affirmative action, racial quota hiring schemes, the "Equal Employment Opportunity" scam (if you saw that sign, it only meant no whites need apply); I witnessed and was affected by reverse discrimination (ultimately found to be unconstitutional by the United States Supreme Court).

    During the course of my working career, I have worked for companies that hired non-whites for fear of being called racist by having too many whites in the company. Adding insult to injury, supervisors are scared out of their pants if faced with an unruly / under-performing minority. All the black people have to do is play that race card. I've been passed over for promotions for having the wrong hue of skin - and was told that by reluctant managers.

    Today the BLM and related organizations / activists have made sure to take down our flags, monuments, plaques, and memorials. Streets, schools and other government buildings are having their names changed to erase our history. What cannot be torn down or removed is being vandalized (including statues of our nations founding father, George Washington). Freedom of speech is squelched, tv programs forced to cater to what the non-whites will allow. BTW, I was in a store that had a magazine counter. There were magazines like Jet, Ebony, Black Stars, etc., etc. catering to black people. There was not a single, solitary magazine that specifically catered to the white people.

    Through "public policy" even our thoughts are being monitored and then outlawed. If you oppose multiculturalism, that is a hate crime (sic).

    Blacks are not really offended by what whites think. They are offended that whites have power. Watch how this political propaganda prostitute goes off on one of their own:



    All of a sudden, the guy is a champion for minority rights???

    The claims of being hurt and offended are an act:



    It's an issue about power, plain and simple. The black people have held the balance of power for a couple of decades now. While people like Oprah are raking in the billions followed by black actors who rake in millions, Hollyweird has to go to Australia, England, or New Zealand to find white males to play major roles in movies and tv series and to be the face you see on the evening news. Ever wonder why that is? You wanted to have this moment. You are welcome for the education.
     
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    So, according to you, during your lifetime the "powers that be" have discriminated against you, in employment and education, because of your race. Then another race disrespects your culture and heritage. You are prevented from speaking out about it and the mass media is ignoring your plight and siding with the other race. That race wants to hold onto power and ignore your needs. It's enough to make one angry.

    Now imagine that's been happening to everyone in your race since 1865. How angry would you be?
     
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    The Rwandan genocide is a typical example of racism in the modern era. In Rwanda, the Tutsi were the powerful tribe that discriminated against the ordinary Hutu, who got their revenge on the Tutsi by slaughtering some 800,000 of them. This could happen to any multicultural societies, if racism is not kept in check as it happened in the former Yugoslavia in the 1990s, too.
     
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