Palestinian Girl Cries As Israelis Bulldoze Her Home

Yes it is interesting. Can one convert? If so, then Israel can be a state to all its citizens if all its citizens convert to Judaism. I see no problem with what Netanyahu said, though is it exclusionary to all other religions. On the other hand, you don't have to be a Jew to be an Israeli and enjoy nearly the full boat of rights and privileges. If you are a guest at your friends house, you partake of the enjoyment, food and camaraderie therein. But you have no natural right to your friends Fathers blessings. They are special. And that concept should always be honored.

In America, you have to meet certain requirements to become a citizen:
Basic requirements you need to meet when applying for citizenship in the U.S.:

• You already have a green card.
• You are at least 18 years old.
• You have lived in the U.S. lawfully as a permanent resident for at least five years unless you are a spouse of a U.S. citizen, refugee, or received your green card through political asylum.
• During those five years, you have been physically present in the U.S. for at least half of the time.
• You have not spent more than one year at a time outside the U.S.
• You have not established a primary home in another country.
• You have lived in the state or district where you are filing your application for at least three months.
• You have "good moral character."
• You can read, write and speak English.
• You can pass a test about U.S. history and government.
• You will swear that you believe in the principles of the U.S. Constitution and will be loyal to the U.S. (This is nearly a religious conversion)

And of course, there are other restrictions for naturalized immigrants who want to serve in American government.

 

Yes, except that the root of the Palestinian issue is not a matter of a people fighting for land they perceived as theirs. It's the consequence of post WWII pan-Arab nationalism. Some Arab leaders dreamed of a united Arab and Muslim Levant. Jews ruined the utopia.

I didn't talk about rights either. I talked about accepted norms and customs.

Please understand that my knowledge, my reasoning, and my premises, are very different from yours. I have to explain my point of view in order to be able to communicate with you. A simple "yes" or "no" might be more pleasant to you, but I can't give a dishonest answer just to please my dialogue partner. Sometimes it might look like I digress, or build strawmen. I don't, not really, I'm just not comfortable with unclear or unproven premises, so I tend to exaggerate with explanations. Not everyone is a fan of detailed analyses, go figure

You forget that members of the same Arab family or clan live in Israel, in the Palestinian territories, in Lebanon, in Syria. It would be not only immoral, but also super-counterproductive to force Israeli Arabs to fight against their own families.

They can volunteer though. There are Christian and Muslim Arabs in the IDF. Bedouins serve, even though nobody forces them. Druzes serve too, because they want to. The nephew of Ismail Haniyeh (former head of Hamas in Gaza), whose mother is married to an Israeli Bedouin, served in the Israeli army as a volunteer.

Non-Jews can - and many do - enlist in the IDF. They're not forced to enlist. Jews are forced to enlist. That's the difference.

 

The false premise, even though you don't seem to be aware of it, is that the Arabs in Israel are a distinct nation indigenous to Palestine.

What's your problem with national sovereignty? I don't understand your dilemma. There are plenty of Turks in Germany, would you say that Turks should have the right of national self determination in Germany?

 

Here is an child

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crying over losing her home to foreclosure.


Courtesy of Obama / Holder
inept or complicit?

 

It's my contention that no race, religious or ethnic group is intrinsically either good or evil and that includes the Jewish people.

For some reason, it is not commonly known that there were Jewish members of the Nazi party(1) just as there were countless Jews who
willingly collaborated with the Nazis as Ghetto police and cruel Kapos.
You may also be surprised to learn that about 150,000 Jews served in Hitler's military and many received Germany's highest honors with the full knowledge of Hitler and the German High Command(2).

Leading up to, during and after WW2, history is replete with barbaric individuals who happened to be Jewish. Among the more infamous were Genrikh Yagoda & Leonid Reichman(3) who worked under Stalin to kill millions.
Salomon Morel is one of the more infamous post war Jewish butchers however more are outlined in John Sack's heavily repressed book "An Eye for an Eye" (4)

This level of cruelty was, sadly, not confined to Europe as Zionist terrorist gangs committed some of the most heinous atrocities of the region(5) in their fanatical zeal to drive Palestine's native residents from their homes of generations.

My point is not to denigrate the fine Jewish people who have contributed so much to humanity but to show that no group of people is immune from inflicting misery on their fellow man.




(1) "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of partial Jewish descent."CONTINUED


(2)“Hitler’s Jewish Army”
http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

“If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED


(3) "Stalin's Jews"

"We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.

In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges.

Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."CONTINUED


(4) "An Eye For An Eye"
by
John Sack
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/630203.An_Eye_For_An_Eye
EXCERPT "Since then, both 60 Minutes and The New York Times have corroborated what Sack wrote: that at the end of World War II, thousands of Jews sought revenge for the Holocaust. They set up 1,255 concentration camps for German civilians -- German men, women, children and babies. There they beat, whipped, tortured and murdered the Germans. Long unavailable, An Eye for an Eye is back in a new, revised, updated and illustrated edition. Submitted by the publisher, John Sack" CONTINUED


(5) "Israeli Massacre Of Deir Yassin"
https://www.countercurrents.org/akleh150413.htm
A process of cleaning up the village was, then, conducted by the terrorist groups which included the rape of some women, the cold murder of many Palestinians, and the blowing up of homes. Men and women were lined up against the walls in the main street and executed in cold blood. Members of whole families were murdered in their homes even after surrendering. Girls and women were raped and then murdered. The Zionist terrorists had bayoneted the wombs of Pregnant women and crushed the heads and bodies of dozens of children and babies. This cleanup process continued through the next two days, Saturday and Sunday, and demonstrated the savagery of the Zionist Jewish terrorists.

 

I happen to be an American Citizen, but I have no loyalty to USA.

Most American Jews are very loyal to USA.

I have not experienced any anti-Semitism since High School. I have experienced severe discrimination based on my Disability -- Moderate Autism.

 

It sure does.

 

You're right, bad example. The IRA was never as psychotic as Hamas with their suicide bombers, and the death cult martyrs, and all. Poor comparison.

Now, about that Martyr's fund. How big of a fan are you of the Pay For Slay program?

 

And yet you'll glom up all those Uncle Sugar goodies won't you?

You're very lucky that loyalty isn't a requirement for getting a ticket to ride the gravy train, aren't you?

You can bite that hand, and it'll keep right on feeding you.

America is great that way, isn't it?

 

Thank G-d and my parents, my parents help me. USA does nothing for me.

USA does very little for tens of millions of disabled citizens. Very sad.

 

Are our soldiers not paid ? and do they not "slay" Damn - we got the biggest pay for Slay program on the planet going.

I agree that Hamas is more aggressive than the IRA - but - after all - Pal/Israel is an 80 year long war/blood Feud .. where the other side of the war is engaging in tactics far more heavy handed than what was used on the IRA - different history .. different kind of war.

There is not many "death cult martyers" what ever the frick that is in Hamas - sfar as I can see. It happens -- but it is rare and limited in explosive power.. a rogue person....

So it is you whose comparison is way out of left field. Newsflash - If Iran is supplying Hamas/Hezbollah with sophisticated weapons - how come all that ever gets fired is home made rockets ... the equivalent of suped up firework -

Somon bin fedn you dat cherry kool-aid Matey - an u bin drinken dat down ..

Do focus on the meaning in the imagery .... sleepy .. you are getting very sleepy

 

Wait for it .........

 

I think so, yes.

 

Why is that?

 

It's very simple, goes back to the 1920's, 2 nations were recognized by the League of Nations in Ottoman-Palestine, 2 nations were recognized by the UN at the partition plan to exercise the right of self determination, Arabs and Jews.
I guess - if you repeat it so much - that this right is also written somewhere in the Israeli Independence Charter or somewhere else as it is the first international right that Israel is founded upon, the Arabs btw could have done the same in 1948.
What's confusing to me and Pisa is your question as if each of us carries around this legal right in his pocket and flash it around while non Jews hav eto bow their heads in our path..... I can only guess that's another BDS propaganda in your home town...

To be clear, both Arabs and Jews got recognized by the UN and under the international law of self determination and both could have declare their own countries - both could have had both Jews and Arabs in their countries and both countries (just like any other country in the world) would NOT have allowed their civilians to declare new countries within countries.

I hope it's clear now.

 

I think you need to revisit english, I make no such assumption, you simply invented that (yet again).

 

I think most Israelis don't, the whole discussion moved to the right, instead of peace based on retreat and splitting of cities we now (the more reasonable among us IMO) think on one sided retreat without getting the acceptance of the Palestinians which we assume we never will, and ofc the Right wing that denies a Palestinian state at all.

 

No it is not clear, perhaps because nothing you have written above is true.

The 14 Basic Laws of Israel are here, I am surprised you do not know them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Laws_of_Israel

The Nation State State Law was introduced in 2018.

You do carry a card around with you that identifies you not as Israeli but as Jew or one of the other 160 ethnic or religious groups that Israel uses to identify its citizens.

Obviously I will have to wait until I find a person who lives in Israel and is aware of its constitution to explain it to me, thanks for trying.

 

Who needs to permit it?

 

It doesn't matter. It is a COMBAT response for non-combat provocation.

 

Well what if innocent people live in the house?

 

Thanks that is an honest answer my question was directed at the american poster, as I understand it most Israelis are aware of what Ben Gurion said,

Everybody sees a difficulty in the question of relations between Arabs and Jews. But not everybody sees that there is no solution to this question. No solution! There is a gulf, and nothing can bridge it… We, as a nation, want this country to be ours; the Arabs, as a nation, want this country to be theirs.

• Written statement (June 1919), as quoted in Time magazine (24 July 2006)

 

In general, Israel has been acting against alleged or actual terrorists in this way for decades. Is e.g. a suicide bomber is identified, then his entire family is made homeless as a punishment, in which a bulldozer like this one destroys the house.
This is called collective punishment and is extremely illegal in the judiciary and prosecution of any democracy that is allowed to call itself that.

In general, too often, Israel acts extremely illegally in dealing with the Palestinians and a good example are these so-called settlements in the occupied territories, which are illegally established practically at night. The land that is simply illegally occupied here belongs to Palestinians ... not in the state sense, but in the sense of private property!
Already scandalous when a Palestinian farmer wakes up the next morning, walks out of the house and is allowed to discover that a settlement of radical Jews has suddenly been built over large parts of his land! And the problem is, the Palestinian farmer has not the slightest legal recourse to the Israeli judiciary to do something against ... and even more, the settlements are often protected against the justified wrath of the Palestinians by the Israeli police and military!

I am of course aware that you are mainly referring to the alleged terrorists of the so-called ANTIFA ... but I hope you mean all terrorists in general ... regardless of whether they are left, right, Islamic, Christian or whatever motivated terrorists !

 

Everything I wrote is true, it may be you asked a different matter, the rights of non-jews within the state of Israel?, that's got nothing to do with Self determination right, Israel is in constant state of crisis since its Independence, debated borders etc', since the border issue will probably be determined according to Arab or Jew nationality (since the Arabs want their own state) is was important to have the Jewish national thing, also I guess because many Jews live abroad and Israel wants to serve as optional home for them.
We have 160 ethnics in Israel ?

 

Bolstered by the Israeli Nation State Bill

The state views the development of Jewish settlement as a national value and will act to encourage and promote its establishment and consolidation.

Replace the word Jewish with any other ethnic tag and the whole word would call it racist!