Palestinian Girl Cries As Israelis Bulldoze Her Home

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  1. Gilos

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    If both nations want the same land to themselves - what can others do about it ?
    I think - even if that statement is true today and its not certain it is - we can still make things better, Ramallah is in much better condition that Gaza and its because for the past decade we have had relative good terms with them. economy is the key.
     
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    Really lets start with your opening line then,

    Please show in the Mandate for Palestine where the League of Nations recognised 2 nations.
     
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    Yes, because Israel was created partly on Jewish persecution which was racist, Zionism was created in face of racism, Arab objection to the Jewish towns was racist and so was the war in 1948 that followed the 181 UN vote.
    So what now ? the world is sorry ? the Jews can "go back" to Europe ? my parents and my kids were born here, you can't roll back because now you think we live in some global society....which isn't true btw....
    OFC I'm all in favor of progress, I think once the issue with the Palestinian Arab state is solved things can change here too, but that's not the case now.
     
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    I really hope you are correct but feel that Ben Gurion knew what he was talking about, there is nothing I can do about it which is why I rarely enter into discussions on the subject.
     
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    "
    The British achieved legitimacy for their continued control by obtaining a mandate from the League of Nations in June 1922. The formal objective of the League of Nations mandate system was to administer parts of the defunct Ottoman Empire, which had been in control of the Middle East since the 16th century, "until such time as they are able to stand alone."[3]

    During the Mandate, the area saw the rise of two nationalist movements, the Jews and the Palestinian Arabs."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

    Why are you hostile ? you do understand we are just two ppl talking right, nothing you or I will say can ever change anything.
     
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    Too much hostility between Jews and Arabs now, its why I think bringing us closer to the Arabs like in Dubai is a good thing, the Right wing got Israelis so scared they must open up to Arab culture.
     
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    I do not offer a solution and I do not take sides, if I had a solution I would be at the UN collecting my Nobel peace prize this minute! It is one of the great tragedies created by the British Empire, but I am not responsible for the sins of my father, I can only look on with sadness.
     
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    I am not hostile, I only wanted to understand how Israelis interpreted the new law. I feel I have been dragged into a discussion I did not want to have. However when you try to rewrite history then I will respond. There is nothing in the Mandate for Palestine that suggests two nations and if there was you would of shown it.
     
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    No, not a promise, but part of an official, formal, internationally backed peace accord.
    Amazing this was offered to a people dedicated to your destruction. Hamas officials
    as much as admitted the offer was real, but their demand for "their" land back was
    more important.
    If you recall, the Jews are the indigenous people of Palestine, settling there in
    the Bronze Age.
     
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    Two facts:
    re 'right wing' - a group of 'left wing' Jewish peace activists went into a cafe after a rally in support
    of the Palestinians. A Palestinian followed them in and detonated a suicide vest. Palestinians don't
    want any 'deal' with Israel over borders - they want the Jews to leave. That makes every Israeli a
    "right wing extremist."
    Half a million Jews were driven out of seven Muslim nations after 1948. They don't figure in any talk
    about "right of return." They just belong to those Jews evicted from 120 nations in 2,000 years.
     
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    Good to see an american supporting the indigenous population, you will supporting the Indians in throwing out the White Europeans from the US then? When you finished join me in throwing the Normans out of the uk!
     
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    Good point. The Jews came from "Palestine" 2,000 years ago. They were driven
    out of 120 nations in that time. They are to Palestine what native Americans are
    to the USA.
     
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    I am not American. But I know that had the Nth American natives gain technology first they
    would have invaded Europe and Asia. It's a human thing.
     
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    But the fact the Romans gained technology first and drove the Jews out and then the Christians and the Muslims settled there is not a "Human Thing"?
     
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    Correct!

    In addition, however, Israel already regards the occupied territories as its national territory and treats them as such. The Palestinians living there have only had any rights under Israeli law since a few years ... before that they were subject to military justice. However, as great as that sounds with the new rights that they were given, ultimately this is only a hidden step towards incorporation as Israeli territory.
     
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    Yes, but ... Palestinians aside ... majority of these 160 etnics are of Jewish faith / religion, isn't it?

    Of course it is a big problem with the recognition of Israel by the Arab neighbors, but nowadays it is far from the way it used to be as in the past. There is a cold peace with Egypt, as well as with Jordan. In Lebanon, Israel is just as much a foreign power as the Syrians and Iranians ... and apart from Iran, every Arab country has stopped chanting that they want to drive the Jews into the sea.

    If you look at Israel's current enemies, it gets strange! There are various groups and sub-groups among the Palestinians, especially the HAMAS, which is based in the Gaza Strip! The PLO is more of a toothless tiger ...
    Otherwise we have Hezbollah in Lebanon, which is naturally supported by Iran and is also the extended arm of Iran in the region. But that Hezbollah exists at all, Israel is to a certain extent also to blame for it as far as the dealings and the interference of Israel in Lebanon are concerned. And apart from that, we still have a bunch of other Islamist terrorist organizations such as Al Qaeda, IS, Al Nusra etc. which of course also justify their raison d'etre by destroying Israel. And as a state, next to Iran, Assad in Syria is actually the enemy of Israel ... and that because of the Golan Heights and the mutual meddling conflict in Lebanon.

    On the other hand, Israel has the most powerful armed forces in the ME and is also nuclear armed and with Mossad & Co. one of the best secret services, if not the best secret service in the world. Nobody ... not even Iran at the moment is so stupid to officially risk a war with Israel because everyone knows that the only result is a bloody nose.

    So what remains is above all the terrorist threat to Israel and that it has existed since the PLO was founded back then until today with various terrorist organizations, the Israelis are partly to blame for that ... because just like Israel has dealt with the Palestinians from the beginning one shouldn't be surprised.
     
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    Your Wikipedia link is just a list of people that serves no purpose in the debate at all.

    Your 2nd link denies the Holocaust. I was finished reading there.
     
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    "From the beginning"? Palestine was occupied by Egypt and Jordan from 1948-1967. In 1967 Israelis awoke to an army shelling Jerusalem from the west Bank. Again, this event is the biggest contributing factor to no Palestinian state today.
     
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    Not sure what you mean. Humans hunt, kill, love, cooperate, hate, create empires, take slaves. We are
    all the same.
     
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    You mean Israel lied to the UN and US ambassador when they started the 1967 war blaming it on the Arabs and you continue that falsehood today.
     
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    What did they lie about? I was under the impression that Egyptian president Nasser closed the Straights of Tiran to Israeli vessels. Despite Israel warning him that this would be an act of war (understandable, it would be like Panama announcing no more US ships through the Panama Canal). He did it anyway and Israel attacked Egypt shortly afterwards.
     
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    Please note that the first paragraph in the Wikipedia link I provided states: "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent."

    Before you cover your eyes and close your ears to the many hard facts that debunk the most grotesque, exaggerated and crassly exploited conspiracy theory ever, you should be aware that even the ADL admits that the vast majority of the world that has heard of the holocaust rejects what has come to be the standard holocaust narrative.


    ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    An isolated incident doesn't negate the fact that foreign Zionist terrorist gangs came from afar to massacre as many native Palestinian residents as possible and steal their land. The current Israeli government is more subtly doing the same thing.

    Before the arrival of these murderous Zionist terrorist gangs, Palestine's native Jews and Arabs coexisted in relative peace(1).

    Just as the Palestinians are not responsible for what happened to the Jews in other countries, I don't believe that it's accurate to state that all Palestinians want to drive the Jews from the Levant. I suspect that they want what most people want: a safe and secure existence for themselves and their families.

    They will, however, resist this oldest and most brutal foreign funded occupation as long as the Israeli government continues its criminal behavior.



    Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict”
    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/


    EXCERPT "Myth #1 – Jews and Arabs have always been in conflict in the region.

    Although Arabs were a majority in Palestine prior to the creation of the state of Israel, there had always been a Jewish population, as well. For the most part, Jewish Palestinians got along with their Arab neighbors. This began to change with the onset of the Zionist movement, because the Zionists rejected the right of the Palestinians to self-determination and wanted Palestine for their own, to create a “Jewish State” in a region where Arabs were the majority and owned most of the land.

    The British Hope-Simpson report of 1930 similarly noted that Jewish residents of non-Zionist communities in Palestine enjoyed friendship with their Arab neighbors. “It is quite a common sight to see an Arab sitting in the verandah of a Jewish house”, the report noted. “The position is entirely different in the Zionist colonies."CONTINUED
     
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    Did anyone from the Occupied territories launch rockets in response to the destruction of this girl's home?
    I didn't read that they did.
     

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