Rep. Cooper: We may have to arrest Postmaster General

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    What YOU want them to do and what the Constitution requires are two different things.

    There is only one requirement in the constitution, and that is for the post office to deliver mail.

    That's it. Deal with it.
     
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    I doubt you've read the Constitution. It says "The Congress shall have power ...
    To establish Post Offices and post Roads;" And Congress already dealt with it:
    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/91/hr17070/text
     
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  3. WillReadmore

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    I'm not going on the basis of measuring USPS success.

    I'm accepting what Trump states about his motivation for whithholding bailout funds for the USPS as per his interview on Fox and other statements he has made.

    And, no - I've given this serious thought for a long time, as years ago it was already clear that vote by mail was the likely direction, as well as a belief that the USPS will continue to be an important federal service.

    BUT, it became more important in this election cycle as Trump has assaulted vote by mail in LIES and in withholding funds. AND, as he stated that the reason was to benefit his reelection campaign.
     
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    He didn't state that in the Fox interview. Where did you hear this?
     
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    Where in my post did I make the claim that you think you are refuting?

    By "we" I mean my state of WA.

    And, please remember that EVERY STATE IN THE UNION has vote by mail.

    In fact, only 10 states have state law requiring that voters need to supply an excuse to use it. In all others it is available to 100% of residents.

    And, in a number of states, vote by mail is the ONLY WAY ONE CAN VOTE.
     
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    Yes. That clearly indicates that the requirement is to successfully fulfill the mission of the USPS.

    It points out the various means by which that mission may be funded.

    Now, Trump and others want to see profitability as being the mission and the services provided being only secondary.

    That's a TOTAL reversal.

    If you want to do that, you need a constitutional amendment.
     
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    No, Congress has the power to establish post offices, but no requirement to do so. If they decided to abolish all of them, and do away with the USPS entirely, that's well within their existing constitutional powers. No amendment would be needed for them to exercise their power over the USPS in this way.
     
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    But, they aren't doing that. The scaling back is being done on the basis of funding, not on the basis of selecting a differen, presumably cheaper mission.

    And, the current issue I'm pointing to has to do with withholding COVID19 bailout funds for operation of the mission as defined today.

    The reason Trump is doing that has to do with his presidential campaign.

    His campaign is assaulting vote by mail in the courts and in assault on the USPS directly - since causing the USPS to fail is calculated by his campaign to be an advantage.

    This is nothing more than an assault on US democracty by a president who is using the powers of the executive branch as an extension of his personal campaign for office.
     
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    You keep making claims like this without evidence. Earlier I asked you to provide a source for your claim and you've ignored it. Is that deliberate on your part?
     
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    ROFL you don't know what they can do with it once they have it but mailbox theft is the least of the worries. I voted today, guess what, I don't have to routinely check to be sure that my ballot got counted and guess what I know for whom it was counted for, all you know is that it was counted. Doesn't tell you who it was counted for does it.
     
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    The USPS has all the funds and DBCS machines it needs to process the mail-in voting volume stop with the misinformation
     
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    While the intent of the founding fathers was to have a postal service the Constitution does not mandate one nor dictate it be of a certain size or level of service, that is legislative. And nowhere in the Constitution or by statute does it say the USPS must facilitate state elections under the direction of those individual states. If the States want to use the FEDERAL USPS to facilitate their elections they will do it at the direction of the USPS they do not dictate nor mandate to it.
     
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    I've already posted more than one source for this on this thread.

    I may look it up again for your convenience.
     
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    Yes, I do know about the security issues wrt the system we use in WA.

    And, you clearly DON'T, or you would suggest something someone could do after stealing the ballot mailed to me.

    When voting at a polling place you really don't know whether your vote was counted. And, unless you vote in a precinct that produce a paper trail, nobody can even check to see if that happeed.

    I do have a way of checking that for my ballot.

    If you think there is a security hole, then state it.
     
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    Trump has stated otherwise.

    He has stated that the USPS is going to fail.

    And, he's withheld funds in order to make that happen.
     
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    The PMG and Postal Service has confirmed. Yes unless reforms are made it will fail but that has nothing to do with handling the volume for the election.
     
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    Well first it doesn't get counted, second submit a fake one............they can get quite creative.

    The machines have test ballots run through them prior to the poll opening with representatives of the secretary of state and both parties and then once the polls close they run the test ballots again to insure the machines were properly tabulating. So when that machine confirms my ballot was read yes it is confirmed. And you can only check that your ballot was received by a government official. You have no idea how it was tabulated nor assurances it was as you cast it. And quite frankly the last thing I want is my ballot submitted to government officials with a code assigned to me. Why you would is beyond me.
     
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    The post office's constitutional mandate is to deliver mail. If state decides on mail in votes, then the post office must deliver mail.

    Mail, get it? The post office is NOT political, it just delivers mail.

    Get it?

    Nah, I don't think you do.
     
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    The Post Office does not have a Constitutional mandate. It exists at the pleasure of Congress. Congress could tell the USPS that they're only authorized to deliver mail on February 29ths that coincide with a full moon, and a Wednesday, and that would be perfectly Constitutional.
     
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    The postal workers unions are very political.
     
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    Just give me the post #'s then and I'll look them up myself.
     
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    She is one desperate piece of trash.

    Judging from her unhinged rhetoric, which no one outside the hate-filled confines of the LW Echo Chamber takes seriously, she's found out that people aren't taking kindly to her decision to pull a self-serving, made-for-media political stunt instead of hammering out an aid bill for unemployed and underemployed Americans.

    We all see her and her misplaced priorities for what they are. She's fooling no one but the drones in the collectivist hive...
     
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    Um, this :nod::nod: :roll:

     
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    Well, what her refusal to relieve COVID affected workers means, is they have to go back to work, regardless of the regulations.
     
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    Trump has said you are wrong on this.

    He has said the USPS will fail to handle the load of vote by mail.
     

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