#JacobBlake

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  1. Yant0s

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    So far I've read that he had a warrant out for his arrest for raping a child. I don't know if this is fact, but if it is the police had doing reason to attempt to arrest him.

    I've read he resisted arrest and wrestled on the ground with police. I've also read that police attempted to use non lethal force but the taser
    they used failed to work. Apparently witnesses are confirming the wrestling and taser not working .

    Jacob Blake had also pulled a knife on the police, apparently this is when the police pulled out their guns.

    What I have seen is the video from this point onwards. It has Mr Blake holding a knife with police shouting at him to stop and put the knife down. They are pointing guns at him while this is happening.

    Mr Blake completely ignores them and walks around his vehicle. He reaches into the passenger side and attempts to grab an item from under the passenger seat (most likely a gun). The police open fire as he's doing this.

    Apparently in his 2016 arrest a gun was found under his passenger seat. So it's very likely that is what he was reaching for.

    Obviously everything I've said is not confirmed as fact yet but once everything is confirmed and if it's all correct, then this isn't a race issue. Basically man with knife, reaching for a gun , police already tired tasers (didn't work ), what options did the police have other than shoot?

    Makes me think. If Mr Blake was white would people be cheering and not protesting. Personally If everything I've read is true I think he deserved what he got.
     
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    This nuttcase shooting and killing protestors.

    What the hell is the world comming too ....
     
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    It is so disrespectful and ugly to blame the victim for their own death. This happens almost every time an African-American man is killed by police. Reasoning: They deserved to die. Don't blame the cops for killing them.
    Disgusting.
     
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    How do you know he's the victim ?

    All the facts of exactly what went on haven't been released yet. It is wrong for any of is to jump to conclusions and decide if the shooting was justified or not without this information being released.

    I suppose I'm bais like yourself and learning towards one side

    (my reason being is what witness are claiming) but I'm definitely not certain the shooting was justified or not yet.

    We need fact.
     
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    If a man with a violent criminal past was being arrested and that man resisted arrest/fought with police officers.

    While resisting arrest the man then pulled out a knife. The police tried to stop the man with non lethal force (a taser) and the taser failed to stop the man.

    So the taser has failed and the police
    are also unable to grapple with the man due to him holding a knife.

    What option do the police police have other than shoot the man which looked like he was reaching for a gun?


    Personally I believe two things are needed to be confirmed before deciding if the actions of the police were justified or not.

    Did the police try to stop Jacob with non lethal force (was the taser used)?

    Was Jacob holding a knife (which would make it impossible to safety grapple and stop Jacob )?

    If the answer to either of those questions is "No", the shooting is definitely NOT justified and the people need to be held accountable.

    No question in my mind that Jacob needed to be stopped when he appeared to be seen reaching for a gun. The question is had the police exusted all reasonable options to stop him by non lethal force before shooting?
     
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    I just looked to see any more developments and found this. It's what the media are saying . So take it with a pinch of salt ...


    " the incident, officers attempted to arrest Jacob S. Blake, age 29. Law enforcement deployed a taser to attempt to stop Mr. Blake, however the taser was not successful in stopping Mr. Blake. Mr. Blake walked around his vehicle, opened the driver’s side door, and leaned forward. While holding onto Mr. Blake’s shirt, Officer Rusten Sheskey fired his service weapon 7 times. Officer Sheskey fired the weapon into Mr. Blake’s back. No other officer fired their weapon. Kenosha Police Department does not have body cameras, therefore the officers were not wearing body cameras.

    The shooting officer, Kenosha Police Officer Rusten Sheskey, has been a law enforcement officer with Kenosha Police Department for seven years.

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    During the investigation following the initial incident, Mr. Blake admitted that he had a knife in his possession. DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Mr. Blake’s vehicle. A search of the vehicle located no additional weapons."

    1.Police tried to stop him with taser.
    2. Jacob did have a knife. Not mentioned if he had it in his hand or not.
    3. No gun was found!!! When the police opened fire believing Jacob was reaching for a gun. Jacob wasn't actually trying to reach a gun.
     
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    Where did you see reports that he had warrants for raping a child? Seems irresponsible to go around propagating unverified accusations.
     
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    Actually that may not be true. I've read something since .

    He had a warrant for " third-degree sexual assault ".

    " The warrant was issued July 7 in Kenosha. According to Wisconsin’s circuit court records database, Blake has been charged with one felony count of third-degree sexual assault and two misdemeanor counts of disorderly conduct and criminal trespassing.

    According to Wisconsin law, third-degree sexual assault can include nonconsensual sexual intercourse or other sexual contact, such as ejaculation or urination. Sex with a minor is not listed as one of the offenses included in the charge. "

    The confusion occurs when you look at a different states definition of. Third degree sexual assault.

    "legal definition of third-degree sexual assault: sexual penetration with someone between the ages of 14 and 16. That definition comes from Rhode Island’s criminal code, which does not apply in Wisconsin."

    So it seems what I read about sexual assaults agains a child could be false .We need to wait to see what comes out in court and see official reports to see if the accusations of sexual assault are true and who his victim was, if he's found guilty.
     
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    Not that what Jacob Blake had allegedly done matters regarding, if the shooting was justified or not.

    All it really means is the police had an obligation to make sure he was arrested then and there as he was considered dangerous and it was paramount he was detained considering the allocations against him.

    In my opinion a lot depends on if he was holding the knife in his hand while walking to his car to grab something.

    If it's proven that he doesn't have a knife in his hand the police will clearly be at fault, as they could have safely tackled/grappled with him before he got to the car.
     
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    I'm also seeing a new angle regarding, kyle rittenhouse. Apparently a new video is suggesting to some people that he acted in self defence.
     
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    Haven’t seen video of what led to the first shooting. It’s going to take some investigation to see if he was actually defending himself. If it’s ruled that he wasn’t justified in the first then the second and third won’t be either.
    The crowd would be justified in attempting to stop/kill an active shooter. “Good guy with a gun” and all that.
     
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    I've seen it. There two videos of the first shooting from different angles .

    What happens is Kyle is being chased. An object is thrown by the men chasing him , then one of the men chasing Kyle fires a gun, Kyle turns around to look towards the direction the gunshot came from. At this moment a man that's been chasing lunges at Kyle and this is where Kyle opens fire .

    What the video does not show is what happened moments before or why he was being chased.
     
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    There’s some key information in those moments. Was he brandishing the weapon or making threats? What made the crowd go after him? If they had reason to believe he intended to kill someone they’d still be justified in trying to stop him.
     
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    I've no idea. Obviously an expert needs to analyse the video and determine all of the above.

    The problem with the video is it doesn't show why he's being chased. It doesn't show the moments leading upto this event and they are key to understanding.

    Perhaps they aren't filmed or they are not being show for a reason.
     
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    Agreed. More information is needed.
    That being said, he went there looking for trouble and found it. Hope he does time.
     
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    He was definitely looking for trouble and I agree he should do time for sure. He wasn't there to "protect property", he was there to increase tension and cause a war.
     
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