You can't hunt with an AR - part II

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  1. Richard The Last

    Richard The Last Well-Known Member

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    Ridiculous! There is no way to determine which of firearms is "more dangerous" simply by looking at the picture. I guess you would consider this gun to be really dangerous?
    1.JPG
    FYI it is an Airsoft firearm.

    The AR pictured in the OP does not have a folding stock. A pistol grip is just another way of stabilizing a firearm. Firearms with designs like the first gun in the OP have been stable enough for years and have killed many hundreds of thousands in combat and taken many millions of big game animals. The hand guard of an AR serves the same purpose as the forend of the wooden stock; it protects the hand from the heat from the barrel. As for magazine capacity; with a little practice a shooter can become proficient at reloading any type of firearm making magazine capacity much less significant. I have known individuals who could fire three 10 round magazines in an AR faster than the average shooter could fire one 30 round magazine.

    Here's a guy who makes shooting and reloading a revolver look simple. Practice.
    12 rounds in 2.99 seconds and that includes a reload!

    Watch starting at :56
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    They can only from the cue cards giving to them by MSDNC - don't expect any actual understanding of the issue.
    This truth is witnessed by the fact they have yet to address the questions asked in the OP.
     
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    Richard The Last Well-Known Member

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    And to address the OP...
    I no longer hunt anything bigger than white tail deer and generally hunt them with a .243 but on occasion have hunted them with ARs in 5.56 and 300 Blackout.
    That said, the .308 is a fine cartridge and I feel either one of the guns pictured would work for my big game hunting needs.

    Rich
     
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    Richard The Last Well-Known Member

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    Daniel:
    Do you have a link to those "early studies"?
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hunting isn't even mentioned in 2A. Debating what is suitable for hunting isn't even relevant.
     
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    You don't know much about firearms, do you?
     
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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Knows nothing about firearms. His messages are nonsensical.

    The PURPOSE of 2A is specifically so the citizenry has military grade firearms. That's it's purpose.
     
  8. Right is the way

    Right is the way Well-Known Member

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    My guess would be no.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    While both are equal for hunting, the one on the bottom has an advantage. If you are hunting for tears and ignorance, the picture alone is enough!
     
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    Something off topic about it ...

    The question arises why such animals suddenly become so numerous in their population ... actually / really or only felt or regionally limited ... that they become a problem in terms of increased hunting of these animals is necessary ... isn't it?

    The answer is that before or in parallel, their natural predators have mostly been reduced or even wiped out by hunting!

    In my country, for example, there are far too many deer in most of the forest areas simply because their natural predators were exterminated a long time ago. That makes the hunters happy, because all the more they have to or are allowed to shoot (attention! Our hunting rights are generally very different from those in the USA).
    But the forest farmers were not happy about that, because these many deer preferred to destroy saplings and young trees as food. So forest farmers started to protect them with chain link fences ... which in turn often resulted in conflicts with the hunters that they reduce food to the deer with it.
    For a number of years now, the wolf is slowly returning to our forests. Of course, it's not without problems because the wolves sometimes kill farm animals, but mostly wild animals and here also deer.
    And again the hunters are not happy, demand that wolves should be released to be shot to protect the deer ...

    Isn't it all ridiculous in the end?

    BTW ... We clearly state by law with which weapons you can hunt and with which not ... and whoever thinks to take an AR-15 will end up in jail if the person is caught, because totally forbidden as non hunting gun!
     
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    But the truth is assault rifles, as semi automatics, have a lower muzzle velocity than bolt action rifles of the same caliber because some of the pressure is used to activate the reloading. Smaller calibers are less lethal than larger ones. That is why a .22 rim fire rifle is something you wouldn't want to shoot at a grizzly bear. It is an assault rifle for two reasons. 1. It has a higher rate of fire than the Remington rifle shown above and 2. It is designed to be handled roughly.

    Which is better for hunting humans? The infantryman would prefer the AR for its higher rate of fire. The sniper would choose the Remington for its superior accuracy.
     
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    Just FYI...
    The Aero out-shoots the 700 by about 0.50 MOA
     
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    What barrel? Same ammo?
     
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    Same ammo - 173gr LCM over 4895, shooting at 300yds.
    The Aero barrel is heavier and free-floated, compared to the 700 barrel resting in the stock.
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    That is impressive. It must cost as much as 2 700's. I have as Rem. 700 BDL in .223 caliber for slaughtering varmints around farm. It is more accurate than I am.
     
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    The Aero was about $1100; bought the upper and lower separately from different sources.
    The optic, now discontinued, was about $600.
    The 700 is a beautiful gun, no doubt, and great for what it does. It suffers from from the march of technology.
     
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    I've got a Savage .223 that's shot 1/4 MOA at three yards with handloads.
     
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    Well that explains why rifles of any kind are used in only about 25% of mass shootings per the Mother Jones Magazine mass shooting study and in fact rifles of all kinds are used in under 400 homicides annually.

    But scary.

    Select trauma doctors in the media are not the arbiters of our Constitutional rights.
     
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    There is nothing more dangerous than ignorance in action. Let me set you straight on some firearm facts:

    Roughly 99 percent of the firearms in America DO NOT have a folding stock. Most new firearms are some variation of the AR 15. Of those, most use a fixed stock or a telescoping stock. It is NOT for concealment purposes. Dude, I go through a rough time trying to conceal a freaking Glock with a 4 inch barrel. An AR 15 barrel must be a minimum of 16 inches long and IIRC I think the whole rifle has to be 26 inches long. So, even if you put the telescoping stock at its shortest point, the over-all length of the rifle is 26 inches. Go get yourself a 26 inch piece of 2 x 4 and then see if you can hide it from even a kid. In regular clothes, I'd bet you any amount of money you could put up that I can get a six year old to spot the 2 x 4. Add the width of the magazine, scope and upper receiver, there is no way to conceal a 26 inch rifle unless you are one giant S.O.B. (and I don't mean Swell Ol Boy). So, what does the telescoping stock do?

    If a guy has long arms, he needs his rifle to be a certain length from where it rests in his shoulder to the point he makes contact with the trigger. Now, suppose he is teaching his son how to shoot. The youth with a shorter reach cannot learn how to properly shoot with a rifle wherein he cannot reach the trigger with the stock sitting properly in his shoulder pocket. Then, there is the issue of the weather changing. You put on a coat, you need a longer stock, so you extend the stock. It's summer and you're wearing a t shirt, you collapse the stock to make it shorter. It don't have squat to with concealment. Adding insult to injury, a telescoping stock (unless you're putting out big bucks) is less accurate than a fixed stock.

    Now, let's talk ballistics. The average AR is chambered for 5.56 x 45 ammunition. All the B.S. aside, that is a center fire 22 caliber. Your grand dad's .30 .30 fired a .30 caliber bullet. Now, you probably saw that movie Blackhawk Down. In the real event, the soldiers were shooting the military ss109 ammunition and it was not stopping the bad guys. It went too fast and passed through the target, wounding people, but not stopping them. An effective bullet hits the target, expands and leaves a wound channel. It destroys the target, not just passes through. So, now the bullets that are being used by Special Forces and other serious operators are commercial 77 grain Sierra Match King bullets. These rounds are popular with reloaders and hunters as a hunting round.

    Of course the Second Amendment was meant to specifically protect rifles like the AR 15 above your hunting weapons and you should read it rather than anti-gun nonsense that can be ripped apart even by people like me.
     
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    It started with a lie, both are .308 the non AR has a barrel 4 inches longer, that will be a higher velocity.
     
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    Did PETA author the "study"?
     
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    Please enlighten us which direction it "folds" in (hint, it doesn't)
     
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    There is nothing more futile than teaching the willfully ignorant.
     
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    It is possible to fix ignorance; if, however, that poster is committed to stupidity at least his fellow posters know it now.

    The left thrives on emotion laden buzz words / terms and avoids the truth at all costs.
     
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    So because somebody somewhere managed to do it then it must be the norm? I don't think so.

    Mass shooter Jared Lee Loughner was tackled by bystanders when he was attempting to reload his firearm. Not everyone can do it instantaneously.
     
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