Wasserman Schultz says she was blocked from touring a Florida mail facility

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  1. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But you are supporting it, so either come up with some facts or give up.
     
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    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    She says she did exactly the same thing in February, without issue.
    You claim she's lying. She's a politician, and a proven liar, so she may very well be lying.

    What is your proof that she actually is lying, though? You seem to be extremely knowledgeable about USPS / Congressional oversight relationships, so you MUST know SOMETHING.
     
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    I have already posted why she is lying, try reading what I posted and work on understanding what I posted, it's not that tough if you give it a try.
     
  4. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's okay. I believe you that you don't have any actual proof that she's lying about what happened in February.

    It's your word versus hers.

    I imagine if she's lying, the Opa Locka PO team will post their evidence that no such visit happened the way she said it did.
     
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    The USPS tracks mail volume and flow. One tracking system is the Origin-Destination Information System which has been around since the 70s. This system measure productivity at different geographic locations.

    I would think, actual ODIS data could address the Dem slow down claims as valid or invalid. But maybe the Dems are not interested in actual data.
     
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    I trust the USPS not to engage in a conspiracy as an organization. That being said. Mail loss is a fact of life. I believe current mail loss runs around 3%. So is that level of mail loss acceptable for mail in ballots?
     
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    I'd argue that no partisan wants any facts that go against their team, and are interested in all facts that favor their team.
     
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    It's only an interesting topic for the reasons I've already stated numerous times.

    Republicans are all over the forum claiming the USPS workers will hand out ballots like candy in democratic areas, and destroy ballots coming from republican areas. I never made such claim, nor do I believe it.

    Based on this thread, the republicans who have been making that claim, don't believe it, either. In this thread, it's Kumbaya love for all things USPS from team red.
     
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    3% sounds awfully high - I could believe 0.3%.
     
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    And DWS?

    The ship sailed on this useless sack of Democrat garbage years ago.

    She is to ACTUAL public servants what Insane Clown Posse is to actual music.
     
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    The PMG just testified to the facts, they have no problem with the small blip of an increase in mail volume over the next few months.
     
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    Do you trust EVERY postal carrier to be beyond reproach? I posted not to long a thread about a recent study showed 42% cheat on overtime, cheat to get money. How many might take some money to hand off some ballots? There is always some inefficiency although the new PMG has improved that. How much inefficiency and lost ballots is acceptable?
     
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    So, you are perfectly happy with the performance of USPS, but you believe 42% are cheaters.

    Very confusing position. A 58% grade is failing, no matter how you try to spin it.

    Either way, I guess mail in voting this year is A-okay.

    Good to know. Remember this talk when you complain about the USPS in the future and how they aren't competent to get mail in votes to their destination properly. I'll remind you that you believe a 58% is a passing grade.

    And if my summary is wrong, why do you have an issue with a Congressional member of the PO oversight committee doing a surprise audit, to see what's really going on?
     
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    The percentage I quoted was based on some quick and dirty research and did include all mail including bulk mail. I don't think there really is good data for lost mail, so any number put out is an estimate.
     
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    She does not have the authority to do a surprise audit. If she wants a real audit this can be requested from the Government Accountability Office which does have the authority. Or she can request an USPS OIG audit of mail slow down allegations. Are you aware such an audit has been requested by several Dems in Congress and is in progress.

    So you know what I am talking about here is an example of a GAO audit involving the USPS.
    https://www.gao.gov/assets/600/590170.pdf

    Most of us understand that what is going on is political theater.

    And as I pointed out the USPS has a tracking system (ODIS) for mail volume and delivery metrics. How come the Dems don't simply obtain data from this system which they certain have the legal authority to do.
     
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    She says she does have authority, which is why I asked for some documentation to prove she doesn't.

    It may very well be political theater. She has demonstrated she has the ability to do so. So have 434 other members of Congress, so not a big prize, there. They all lie on a regular basis.

    Your document from 2012 doesn't mention what authority Congress does/doesn't have.

    She says she has the right to be there, and only needs to notify them she will be on site. If she doesn't, it should be extremely simple to prove, yet, here we are, 5 pages in, and not a scrap of evidence she is lying.
     
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    Here is the Congressional Oversight Manual. See anything here that provides her with the authority to in-person conduct a so called surprise audit (or whatever your words were). I know I don't. You can go to page 81 and see that GAO has the authority to conduct an audit for Congress. So if she wants an audit she can ask GAO to perform it and skip the political theater.

    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL30240.pdf
     
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    I don't want to read the manual, so I will take you at your word.

    I assume that means that all is hunky-dory with the PO, and that republicans have no issue with their handling of votes.

    So, we're good!!!!!

    My mail in vote is secure, and the PO will get the job done.

    TY.

    I will tell other people in other threads that you 100% support the PO and the job they are doing, and that their internal investigation team is 100% legit, and there is no need to be concerned about ballots going through the USPS for election day.

    It's reassuring, really. My eyes have been opened.

    DWS's fears are truly unfounded, and all is well in the land of the free.

    Woot! Go Trump!!!! Get those mail in votes!!! Sorry, Biden you don't have the PO in your back pocket. See ya in the Oval, never!!!
     
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    what are republicans in florida hiding?
     
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    Well, I did say “in the private sector”, and that I didn’t know for sure how it works for the USPS, so I’m not sure why you felt the need for your tone. Maybe you just read it over too quickly?

    Can you send a link to back that up? I’d just like to learn more about this.
     
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    Why should the USPS accommodate anyone who just shows up and wants to tour a facility? She has no inherent right to do that, and why would it be in the interest of the people for her to do that other than the off chance she might view something that would help Democrats which is all she is interested in?

    When the shoe was on the other foot she would not allow the FBI, who had reasonable suspicion and reason, access to the DNC computers to look into Russian hacking. In fact the FBI has never analyzed those computer systems.
     
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    How typical, demand and demend and demand something and when it is presented you are too lazy to even take the time to read it, you are not interested in facts, all you want to do is argue what you believe are the facts while presenting nothing useful.
     
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    And is that the topic, THE PRIVATE SECTOR ;)
     
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    Staff investigations. The staffs of committees and individual members play a vital role in the
    legislative process. Committee staffs, through field investigations or on-site visits, for example,
    can help a committee develop its own independent evaluation of the effectiveness of laws.
     
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    Nice try at diverting from the truth that I posted, you demand, demand, demand, and then are either too lazy to read what you demanded or just choose to ignore it because it runs contrary to your opinion as to what is going on.
     

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