Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’ President repeatedly disparaged war dead

Nope. It's on you. Prove it's true or else I'm just going to dismiss it as propaganda.

 

Just like the Atlantic article. 100% propoganda.

 

IOW, even when "double dog dared" to find one - you could not identify even 1 (one) falsehood in my description of The Atlantic. Res ipsa loquitur.

 

The Antlantic is garbage. Like most liberal publications.

 

The Atlantic uses imaginary sources.
A house organ for the Democrat party bosses has to do that.

James Russell Lowell must be spinning.

 

The Atlantic is just another propaganda rag for the DNC.

 

How is this a knock? Either the story is correct, or it is not. If it's a source you or my debate opponent often supports, you can't blame me for sourcing it, right? And now, if I source it, you are going to fault me? Please tell me you are not one of those persons with whom one cannot win.

On a source like Fox, it's a mixed bag. Day time reportage is far more objective than night time, so I'm usually quoting a day time host.
And who doesn't quote sources that agree with them? I hardly see that as a knock. . If it's true, even if i don't like it, I'll acknowledge it. I don't deny, for example, that McCain scored very poorly at Annapolis or he had disciplinary problems in the military. This has been documented and the fact of this is not debatable. I base my opinions based on what I perceive to be true based on my empirical observations of the world and any data and documentation I find that supports it. If a reliable, factual and documentable source refutes it, and that source is reliable, I'll modify my point of view. I also quote WSJ and National Review, when I think they get it right and the facts support it.

Also, often when people hold a view, does it factor in a greater context? Often so-called 'facts' presented, do not, such that, when the greater story is told, a different picture counting the one offered emerges. I believe this to be the case with your claim that McCain is a Traitor, and you are ignoring some very damning truths about Trump, which if you would acknowledge them, you could not possibly support Trump. You do know that a significant majority of active military rate Trump poorly now, right?

The Atlantic was established in 1857, is a veritable American institution, and if you believe, for minute, that you can conflate the Atlantic with the NYPost, your credibility wanes. Liberal rag my ass, your characterization reeks of far right wing bias. I do not accuse the National Review of being a 'conservative rag', though I often disagree with it. I call it a conservative magazine that has earned the respect of it's readership, though it' stature has suffered with the passing of Bill Buckley.

Compare the ratings of The Atlantic and The NYPost on Mediabiasfactcheck.org The Atlantic scores higher and the A's bias factor is closer to the center than the NyPost's is, it's all the way to the far right on the left to right meter. NYPost, on the factual reportage rating, gets a 'mixed' whereas The Atlantic gets "mostly factual".

One could refer to the NYpost as a 'far right wing rag', but to accurately characterize The Atlantic, and not be biased yourself, you must choose the description, liberal magazine, for it has earned it. I would do that for the National Review, I could call it a conservative magazine, though I would not do that for the NyPost. the headlines the NyPost are a dead giveaway, the NYPost is the rights's equivalent of the left's 'The Wonkette" ( which I would never quote , though I read it for amusement value, only ).
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I think you are confused on what the "Gold Star" award means. A Gold Star Family can display a Gold Star Service Flag for service members who were killed or died, while serving in the Armed Forces, from causes other than dishonorable. Who is claiming McCain is a 'gold star family' and how does it apply to McCain?

Insofar as McCain being the 'Hanoi Hilton Songbird' I'm very familiar with the slur, but, it has long since been debunked. IN fact, one fox news host was fired for trying to peddle the long since debunked story. If Fox News fires a host for peddling the story, when they allow their money man Hannity to peddle other conspiracy theories, that ought to tell you something about the story.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-sen-john-mccain-a-hanoi-hilton-songbird/ Watch the video please.

You really ought to be ashamed of peddling that story. Moreover,

Your bringing up the 'dossier' is a side show and really not relevant to the discussion, but since you did, note that It was never presented as 'factual intel', it was presented as raw intel, ie., just leads to follow up on Moreover, it's salient points in the dossier have been confirmed and those that have not, merely have not, doesn't mean they won't be in the future. When raw intel is given, it's expected that parts of it will be found to be factually incorrect.

 

Admitting to an error is something Trump never does unless there's some advantage in it for him, personally, such as the one you mention. That isn't smart, it's clueless and sociopathic.

"I don't get it. What's in it for them?" -- Donald J. Trump, standing at Robert Kelly's grave in Arlington National Cemetary.

That's Trump in a nutshell. No empathy, no understanding of why anyone would sacrifice for their country.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...-sacrifice-on-memorial-day-grave-visit-2020-9

And how does Trump respond? He lashes out like the unbalanced toddler he's always been.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-general-john-kelly-eaten-alive-arlington-cemetery-2020-9

He's a snarly, mean, thin-skinned little crybaby who is incapable of learning, incapable of empathy, incapable of even a modicum of emotional maturity.

Why do you seem so intent on defending Trump? Do you really believe that he never said any of these things? Not even a shadow of a doubt? No research on the issue of your own? I just do not understand how anyone can believe anything Trump says, given his proven track record of lies.

 

Evidence?

 

Fox News confirmed the story. When i do, or when I don't quote them is irrelevant to that fact.

 

Great in a court of law. This is an election

 

And look at the Trump acolytes still trashing McCain

What else needs to be said

 

Trump has nothing to do with disliking the RINO dirtbag McCain. Aiding and abetting our enemy in time of war should have earned that filth a firing squad.

 

He has trashed McCain. His followers do likewise...like you just did.

The Fox Reporter has just doubled down on her claims and called Steve Mnucin a liar

 

You're damned right I trashed him. Had his old man not been an admiral, things would have gone far differently after McCain's propaganda broadcasts became known...and they were. U.S. spy agencies and various military units all made recordings of Radio Hanoi and the heartwrenching "confessions" by G.I.s captured. But the news wasn't all we listened for, or the sobs of men pushed to their limits.

Analysts conclusively proved the Cong were acting on McCain's tips. You're damned right I trashed him.

 

All you needed to do was read the article. The author never bothered to cite one person who was there, and willing to go on the record to refute them. If he would have identified a dozen people, who refute the comments of those unnamed cowards, then there would not have been a story to print.

Lets be real, only a person who has a deep hatred for the military and our nation, would be capable of saying our dead soldiers were suckers and losers. Can anyone even name a person who holds views like that? It sure as hell is not Trump.

 

Donald J Trump

 

You never heard a politician criticize their political opponents? McCain was a war monger, and a vicious, petty, vindictive little man. He spent his career riding on his POW status, as if it were a shield to prevent any criticism of his actions or policies.

 

You can dislike McCain for his politics all you want.

But trashing him for his military service is WAYYYY out of bounds.

But then...you're a Trump fan so....

 

...and you think Trump removed the bust of MLK Jr. from the oval office, paid Russian hookers to pee on Obama's bed, and said white supremacists were some very fine people. Is there any other simpleminded crap you want to admit believing in? I just might know some unnamed sources that can claim you said a lot of stupid things. And of course because of the low standards of proof you have set, you'd be forced to believe unnamed sources.

 

No, I was very upset with Trump for his horrible comments about McCain's POW status. But Trump can call the piece of crap McCain a loser, over his political actions.

Just because McCain was a POW does not make him immune from the mud slinging of politics.

 

vicious, petty, vindictive little man? It's hard to think of McCain in those terms while we currently a president who has set a new standard for vicious, petty, vindictive behavior.

 

Fallen Heroes, From the Lincoln Project

 

The problem is that he trashed McCain BECAUSE of hos "status as a POW"

Which illustrates his attitude towards America's military