3 World Religions That Will Not Coexist With The Religion Of Secular Humanism

You can put any Spin on it you desire. I shall continue to refer to
the Religion Of Atheism and to the Religion Of Secular Humanism.
I am NOT alone. If you google "Atheism as religion" you will pull up a lot
of stuff. But even if that wer not the case ---I will forever refer to the
Religion Of Atheism and the Religion Of Secular Humanism. You can
post against those ideas to your heart's content. Its just Digital Ink
anyway --- Digital Ink soon to be buried in the bowels of the Internet.

I don't know. I will let YOU worry about that. Go get 'em.

That is your Spin that you put on my posts that you do not
emotionally like.
It is reasonable to believe that you are my Ideological Enemy.
So we have here, in principle , , ,
~ Patton v Rommel.
~ The Joker v. Batman
~ Lex Luthor v. Superman.
Remember now Rule 1 in Ideological War is for you to deny that
there is any such thing going on as an Ideological war --- so you
can present yourself as one who is unbiased and unprejudiced
and just a simple seeker of truth that will follow the evidence
anywhere it leads.

I stand on this below , ,

, , , Spin it anyway you want to , , ,

I do not want to see Christian morality codified into law
and enforced by police with guns. Why not? Because to
enforce it would require a police state which would be a
very bad situation and would be a violation of Christianity's
Plan to peacefully evangelize the world with the results
that human beings will come to love God with all their
minds, hearts, and souls and will keep His laws because
they love Him and desire to please Him --- and not because
they fear courts backed up by police with guns.


Do not forget I do NOT want to see Christian Morality codified
and enforced by the courts backed up by police with guns. Rather
my view is that Christianity first changes hearts and minds through
peaceful evangelism, then THAT is what changes behavior.

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My view is that Christendom eventually converts the entire world
to the Christian Faith --- and does it 100% through peaceful
Christian evangelism.

JAG

 

If it looks like a duck...... quacks like a duck...... waddles like a duck..... swims like a duck..... and flies like a duck...... it might just be a duck!!!??

The way that Stalin and Mao and others turned Atheism into the official religion of Russia and China sure does remind me of the Spanish Inquisition!

 

Exactly.
Add this: A rose by another name is still a rose.

The Religion Of Atheism has a God , , , a Supreme Being , ,
~ John is an Atheist
~ There is nothing higher in John's world than John.
~ John believes in a Supreme Being.
~ The name of that Supreme Being is John.
~ John, for all practical purposes, is his own God.
~ In this sense Atheism is a Religion.

JAG

PS
The following has nothing to do with what I just said
and its in a totally different vein from what I just said.
There is even a Wiki page titled "Christian Atheism"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism#Catholicism



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Christian Trotskyism is what comes to mind. But why make an enemy when you can make a friend?

Despite not being religious, I value religion very much. I’m incredibly critical of anti-theist types who view religion as an evil to be discarded. It’s a utopian faith I don’t believe in, and it’s the same problem with religious folks who believe mass conversion will fix the world.

I will never claim to be the arbiter of truth, I’ve accepted my humanity and understand my own fallibility. What disturbs me is why you’d wish to change me. For your perfect world I can’t exist as I am, that I can’t agree with. I don’t believe in a perfect world, I accept you as you are.

An ideological war doesn’t mean much, such a thing has existed since humans could put their thoughts on a page. What I don’t understand is why you find it a war, when you say you come in peace?

Is your righteousness without self doubt? Without self doubt, there is no faith. I wonder, do you still believe in your Original Sin, or has Christ saved you? Idolatry I find to be modern Christianity’s biggest temptations.

 

A very nice and polite Atheist once told me that my idea of God evolving.... and Adam and Eve being created.... and before them various levels of angels and other life forms being made some of whom got into seriously bad ideas...... was technically a part of Atheism......... www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

Ninety nine percent or more of Atheists though would certainly not tolerate such heresy that could lead to the idea of each of us actually giving account to a being of light.... or (Being of Light).... that would seem superior to us?!



https://www.near-death.com/experiences/gay/christian-andreason.html#a04

 

The size of your religion mostly has to do with how many kids your people are pumping out. Eventually the Muslims will win this contest.

Christianity has a net conversion of -60 million by 2050. But they have a fertility rate of 2.7 kids per woman so they will be ok. The Muslims have an net conversion of 3 million but they have a fertility rate of 3.1 kids per woman which is much better. The non-religious have a net conversion of 66 million which is good for them but they only have a fertility rate of 1.7 kids per woman. This is because most non-religious people are in developed nations with a low birth rate.

The number of the non-religious will only be 1.2 billion by 2050 and only be 13% of the world population.
https://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/

 

Spin.
That is your Spin that YOU put on my post that you obviously do
not emotionally like. You had other choices but you chose to put
my posts in a bad light because you do not emotionally like the
ideas in my OP and in my follow-up posts.

That's a "loaded" question -- that's a "trick" question ---like "Have
you stopped beating your wife"? That question has a built in false
assumption -- the false assumption that it is I, JAG, that desires
the Ideological War and NOT those Secularists that viciously
attack the God of the Bible and Christianity regularly on all
Social Media where texts and videos are posted. You ignore
all that and ask your "assume-my-view-is-correct-" questions.

Good. Thank you.
Please Continue To Give Us A Helping Hand , , ,
I hope you will continue to help defend Christianity from the constant
attacks from atheists like , , ,
Richard Dawkins
Sam Harris
Christopher Hitchens {late, but still attacking through his books and videos}
Daniel Dennett
Matt Dillahunty
Bill Maher , , ,

, , , their books and videos are the "teaching tools" for their many followers
inside Thread World on the Internet At Large --- and you constantly see their
ideas appear in posts inside thread World -- posts made by their students --
made with "religious zeal" too.

More of your Spin.
More of you choosing to put a good thing in a bad light.

There is nothing whatsoever bad about this , , ,

Christianity changes behavior by changing the hearts of men
and this is done ONLY through peaceful evangelism --- never through
any type of Force, including the Force of human courts backed up
by police with guns.
And no aggressive high pressure evangelizing either -- never such as
that.

The Lord Jesus The Arbiter , , ,
arbiter - "a person who settles a dispute or has ultimate authority in a matter"

The Sovereign God is the one and only "arbiter" of Truth and He will make
His Sovereign Will known as the mega-millenniums unfold. The Father has
exalted His Son the Lord Jesus because of the Son's obedience unto death on
a cruel Cross and the Son, the Lord Jesus, is the "arbiter" of Truth , , ,

, , ,and the Lord Jesus , ,

"shall have dominion from sea to sea" Psalm 72:8

, , and , ,

"the whole Earth will be filled with His glory" Psalm 72:19

, , and , ,

"all nations will call Him blessed" Psalm 72:17

Moreover the Lord Jesus really meant it when He told His Christian
Church to , , ,

"go and make disciples of all the nations" Matthew 28:19

So?

So the Christian Church of the Lord Jesus eventually evangelizes
the entire world peacefully

And you try to put that in a bad light because you are the Ideological
Enemy of the idea of the peaceful Christianization of the world -- you
don't emotionally like that idea --otherwise you would not write
posts like you do write.

But you can change and come to like the idea. After all why
would you not like the idea that the vast majority of the
populations of all nations, in the far off future, will live their
lives based on the principle of "so in everything do unto
others what you would have them do unto you."

What is there not to like about that?
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Change You & The Whole World Too , , ,
The goal of the Christian Church is to "change you" through the
simple preaching of the gospel and not through any type of coercion
and not through any type of harassment or aggressive intimidation.

Here is a sample , , ,

"For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son that
whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have Eternal Life."
John 3:16

" I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you,
which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are
saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you
believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I
also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures
and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day
according to the Scriptures." 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

You were not harmed by me peacefully presenting that up there for
your consideration.

If you choose to chat with me, I will now and then, present Bible
truths to you for your consideration. You have a choice to read
them or not read them. I do no harm by merely presenting ideas
for your consideration , , ,

, , here is one right here , , ,

"For you know the grace of our LORD Jesus Christ, that though he
was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through
his poverty might become rich."__2 Cor. 8:9

Christianity is out to change the entire world , , ,
"go and make disciples of all nations"__The Lord Jesus

John 3:16 , ,
On Christianity it is not good for you to continue to exist as you are,
otherwise John 3:16 and Christianity itself would not be true. On
Christianity if you continue to exist as you are, you will experience the
perish of John 3:16
John 3:16 presents you with 2 choices , ,
{1} believe and get Eternal Life
{2} refuse to believe and perish
So Christianity has good reasons to not want to let you "exist as I am."

Regarding your phrase "perfect world" , ,
My view of the Christian future is not a perfect world. There will always
be sin in this Earthly life. When all nations are eventually Christianized
that does not mean we will have sinless perfection. Sinless Perfection
only comes in Heaven , , in Eternity.

You don't have to agree with ti.
Disagree all you want to.
Christianity seeks to change, first your heart, then your changed heart
will change your mind {your intellect}.

A Brain That's been Voltaire'd , , ,
Some intellects have been Voltaire'd to ruin and confusion and need to
be challenged and changed.

Some intellects have been Bertrand Russell'd to ruin and confusion and
need to be challenged and changed.

False-god-Science , , ,
Then there is False-god-Science that has ruined many an intellect.
"And the people bowed and prayed
to the False-god-Science they'd made"

Neither do I.

Your posts indicate otherwise.
You sure do not accept me as an evangelizing Christian.
But maybe you will later on?

It may not mean much to you --- maybe you're not on the receiving
end of it -- but Christianity is on the receiving end of it.

Some Enemies Of Religion Say No To Toleration , , ,
"This modern-day atheism is advanced by a group of thinkers and
writers who advocate the view that superstition, religion and
irrationalism should not simply be tolerated but should be
countered, criticized, and exposed by rational argument
wherever their influence arises in government, education,
and politics."___Wiki article on the "new atheists"

Rule # 1 , , ,
I told you Rule 1 in Ideological War is to pretend that there is not
really an Ideological War raging so you can present yourself
as a disinterested logician and an unbiased unprejudiced
seeker of truth that is merely out to "follow the evidence
where ever it leads."

In other words they play the L-Card. "I have Logic on my side
and you do not -- therefore I am right and you are wrong."

We have people in Thread World that wage Ideological War
while denying that is what they are doing. They pretend to have
logic on their side and they pretend to be merely "disinterested
seekers of truth" -- while they wage relentless Ideological War
against Christians and the God of the Bible --- you know the
"God-That-Does-Not-Exist, the One they talk about incessantly
in posts inside Thread World on the Internet At Large on all
Social Media.

"why you find it a war"__YBIG
Because it is a war.
You phrase issues and ask questions in such a way as to assume
the truth of your views and positions.

"when you say you come in peace"___YBIG
I never said I come in peace.
I said that Christianity eventually peacefully Christianizes the world.
I participate in the Ideological War in threads -- so I do not "come
in peace" in that sense.

"I did not not come to bring peace"__The Lord Jesus
What do you think this below means?

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth.
I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come
to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her
mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"
__The Lord Jesus in Matthew 10:34-35

Christianity teaches that we have no personal righteousness.
That Christ's righteousness has been imputed to us.
"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we
might become the righteousness of God."__2 Cor. 5:21

I do not know what that means.
"Have faith in God."__The Lord Jesus Mark 11:22
"without faith it is impossible to please God" Hebrews 11:6

"self-doubt"___YBIG
I have no faith in ME and never have had any.
What do you mean by "Without self doubt, there is no faith"?

Both are true.
I believe in both.
They are not mutually excluding.
Original Sin presents the need to be saved.
Saved from Sin.
Christ saves us from our Sin and from our sins.
That means He saves us from the Sin Principle and from
that Sin Principle's many "ugly hideous offspring" aka sins.

Just because you think Christians worship idols does not mean that they
actually do that.

By the way, my brain is not God.
And neither is yours.

JAG

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@YourBrainIsGod
Correction , , ,

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"I did not come to bring peace"__The Lord Jesus
What do you think this below means?

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth.
I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come
to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her
mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law"
__The Lord Jesus in Matthew 10:34-35

JAG


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How come I dont see Jews in your list?

 

I will be glad to include the Jews.
My leaving them unmentioned was not intentional. At the time
I wrote the OP, I was not thinking about the Jews, I guess
because they are relatively small in numbers compared to
the other two Abrahamic Faiths -- Islam and Christianity,
both of which are highly evangelistic --and in my opinion
the Jews are not known for their evangelistic zeal so I did
not think of them at the time I wrote the OP. Moreover, in my
opinion the Jews are NOT the objects of attacks from the
"new atheists" and other "secularists", as is Christianity.

But I am happy to include the Jews and I welcome any
supportive or explanatory thoughts you may have on the
inclusion of the Jews.

JAG

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I am a Christian Postmillennialist.
My Faith Based views are "beyond your reach."
My Faith Based views are "beyond the reach" of Pew Research.
My Faith Based views are "beyond the reach" of the 21st century.
My Faith Based Views are "beyond the reach" of your "Logic."
You think in terms of the 21st century.
And Pew Research polling.
I think in terms of the up-coming mega-millenniums.
I think in terms of the year say 6020 A.D.
And the year 50,000 A.D.
Your "Logic" and the False-god-Science have nothing to say about
my Faith Based Beliefs.
Your interpretation of the Bible is your own and we will not agree
on my interpretation of the passages below.

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Genesis 22:15-18

"The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time
and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you
have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, I will
surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the
stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants
will take possession of the cities of their enemies, and through your
offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have
obeyed me."

Note the particulars:

(1) "I will make your (Abraham) descendants as numerous as the
stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore"

(2) "through your offspring all the nations on earth will be blessed."

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Genesis 22:15-18

God said to Abraham, "indeed I will greatly bless you, and I will greatly
multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens and as the sand which
is on the seashore . . . and in your seed all the nations of the earth
shall be blessed."

(1) stars

(2) grains of sand on the seashore

(3) all nations of the earth shall be blessed through Abraham's descendants.
In Romans and Galatians and Hebrews the New Testament teaches that the
Christian Church is the spiritual children of Abraham. More about that later.

Meanwhile:

How many stars are there in the universe? If you google that question,
you'll get something like this:

"Multiplying the number of galaxies, which is about 2 trillion, by the
100 million stars in a galaxy suggests there could be about 10 raised
to the 20th power stars in the universe."

That would be trillions and trillions of stars.

___________________

Now add Revelation 7:9-10 which says that there is a great multitude
of the saved from every nation, tribe, people and language and they
are so numerous that no one can count them.

"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no
one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing
before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes
and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10And they cried out in
a loud voice: "Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb." Revelation 7:9-10

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Christians To be As Numerous As The Stars? Yes.
As I previously explained, I do not interpret the "stars" and the grains of
"sand" as metaphors --- I interpret them literally --- and I expect amazing
events in the far future of the human race where the on-coming generations
will produce literally trillions of human beings. There are no reasons why the
human race will not see the year 100,000 A.D. --- or the year 500,000 A.D.

There are no reasons why the human race will not colonize other planets
in say the year 100,000 A.D.

There are no reasons why the human race could not be bringing back raw
materials from other planets in the year100.000 A.D.

And building huge cities in space that orbit Earth in the year 100,000 A.D.

Or be building buildings as tall as the Empire State Building and 10 square
miles in size by the year 75,000 A.D. -- in order to house untold billions of
human beings.

Or be building huge cities on certain bodies of water.

Or be building huge cities in the Sahara Desert in the year 75,000 A.D.

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Why don't you just accept all that up there as my Faith Based Beliefs and NOT
start composing some "logical" rebuttal to what I wrote.

There is nothing that you can write that will cause me to change my Faith Based
Beliefs one scintilla about the certain coming glorious victorious future of God's
Human Race Project and Christendom and the trillions and trillions of human beings
yet to be born here on Planet Earth.

There are several key words that describes God's Human Race Project --- and two
very important words are EVOLUTION and PROGRESS {Evolution as in gradual
built in inevitable PROGRESS.}

JAG

PS
I predict you will be unable to simply rejoice in my Faith Based Beliefs -- but that you
will be compelled to write a "logical" rebuttal , , lol , , ,

PSS
You'll have to admit that I have a bright cheerful hopeful optimistic up-ward mobile
positive constructive Faith Based view of the future of the Human Race.


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Speaking about Progress , , , I just read where the world is likely to
soon have its first Trillionaire.

Jeff Bezos: the first trillionaire in history
"While the world is going through a tough economic crisis, Amazon’s leader Jeff Bezos continues
to make profits. He is set to become the world’s first trillionaire in 2026. Yes, a trillionaire:
that’s a person whose possessions amount to a dollar figure with twelve zeros."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...trillionaire-his-life-in-pictures/ss-BB18mVQX

JAG

$1,000,000,000,000


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I'd say that there is very small chance that humanity will even see the year 2500.

Over time, our weapons have gotten more and more deadly. Today, the deadliest weapon we have is the hydrogen bomb and we have thousands of them.

In the future, our weapons will get more and more deadly. One day we will have a bomb that can destroy the entire planet. We will be able to genetically engineer viruses that can destroy humanity. We will be able to release chemicals or modified species that will ruin the environment. The last 65 years of nuclear peace can't last forever with more and more people with nuclear weapons.

Over time, more and more powerful weapons are getting easier to make. Look at how even the government of North Korea has nuclear weapons. A multimillionaire could probably make a nuclear weapon if he really wanted to. This means that one day in the future it will be easy for a lot of radical crazy people to make a planet destroying bomb.

And just look at the number of doomsday cults and crazy people there are out there. Or maybe regimes that are about to be toppled so maybe the leader just screws over the planet. So there are some crazy people out there willing to destroy the planet.

Now, the government can try to regulate this behavior and prevent people from getting these weapons. But the government is very bad at stopping illegal behavior as we have learned from the drug war, all the hacking that happens, and the growing number of countries with nuclear weapons. Or it can make "shields" against these attacks, but look at how bad we are at stopping viruses or bombs.

So one day we will have planet destroying weapons, there are crazy people willing to destroy the planet, they will obtain these weapons, and we can't stop it. Therefore humanity is doomed.

There are a few solutions to this problem:
1: Find other planets. Our technology isn't even close to being capable to doing this, plus humans would probably destroy these planets too.
2: A partial apocalypse. Destroy humanity enough to set us back to the stone ages but not wipe us out. This would probably happen by some lunatic before they can completely destroy the planet. This prevents humanity from being capable of destroying ourselves. This has to happen over and over again in cycles to keep humans from progressing too far. This is the most plausible way humanity is saved.
4: Genetically modify humans to remove our violent tendencies or craziness. Have a strong central government than bans or tightly limits research into areas that can result in knowledge that will lead to our destruction. This government will be led by people without violent tendencies. Do not give too much control to computers because they might end up destroying humanity too. But its unlikely that this carefully constructed plan will happen.

 

I hit it right, at the bottom of my post, when I said , , ,
I predict you will be unable to simply rejoice in my Faith Based
Beliefs -- but that you will be compelled to write a "logical"
rebuttal , , lol , , ,
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Man, you really need to get some faith in God.

I can fully understand why you as an "agnostic atheist" would write
up all that Fear, Gloom, Doom, Defeatism, Hopelessness, Despair,
and Pessimism with regard to the future of the Human Race. I have
never read anything that Dark and Cloudy --- how do you make it
through your days?

__________

You have no idea what you are missing when you say no to faith
in God and in His Sovereign watch-care over His Human Race Project.

____________

I can assure you that you have nothing to worry about ---none of what
you wrote is ever going to take place. You have your faith placed in the
wrong area --- this is what the False-god-Science can do to the human
mind and the human spirit. And we can add the False-god-Logic to the
mix. Those 2 together can wreck the human mind and the human spirit.

I feel your pain. Seriously.

And I do NOT blame you. If I believed what I know you believe --I would
be writing up the same Dark, Cloudy, Pessimistic stuff that you wrote.

Keep in touch.

Best.

JAG

PS

"Have faith in God."__The Lord Jesus { Mark 11:22 }

"And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,
for those who are called according to his purpose."__Romans 8:28

"Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? And not one of them will fall to the
ground apart from your Father. But even the hairs of your head are all
numbered. Fear not, therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows."
___Matthew 10:29-31


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I told my coworkers about my theory and they thought it was gloomy too. But I'm sure that I will be able to have a nice fulfilling life in a wealthy developed nation before all that stuff happens. It could have been worse. I could have been born in Africa, or born a worm, or never existed at all. I'm happy with the hand I was given even if it could be better.

Some people like myself really care about logic, things being factually true, and evidence by nature. Thats just how we are born. We can't just have faith when we know that there is no good reason the faith is true and we really care what the truth is. I can't for example have faith that the coronavirus will disappear next month when I know there is no evidence to support this claim.

Other people really want to believe in something with religion, God, and a purpose to the universe. Its like this instinct in their heads. And you are one of them. I'm not.

 

Well thats unfortunate if true, because without secularism there is no peaceful coexistence or lack of oppression between people of different religions.

 

The cure for Gloom is John 3:16's "believe" and Mark 11:22's
"Have faith in God."

Then you don't really believe that Gloom post you wrote.
That's good.
Also you just made a strong Faith statement.
That's good too. Consider nurturing such Faith Based
statements -- they might eventually lead you to Faith
in Christ as your Savior. You'd be amazed at what
that does for you -- the whole person -- becomes alive
truly and throughly, for the first time, to enjoy all the
elements of life without any fears and dreads.

"I am come that they might have life and have it to the full"
__The Lord Jesus in John 10:10

The False-god-Logic is a threat to your long-term
well being. As is the False-god-Science -- neither one
can even possibly be your true Friend in your certain
coming hour of great need. Neither one will even know
about your certain coming hour of great need -- if you
die from natural causes, you will need a Friend to help
you at the end -- and it will not be False-god-Logic
and False-god-Science.
You are a human person made in the image of God and
you will never be fulfilled until you are reconciled with
Him -- your Creator.
"All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through
Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:"
2 Cor. 5:18

That's the message that False-god-Logic whispers in
your ear. Its not true. You have the power to challenge
that -- and change it.

You do not know that.
That's False-god-Logic again whispering in your ear.
And The Evil One {see Luke 4:1-13} fully agrees with
False-god-Logic putting that destructive thought into
your mind.
The Lord Jesus said, "Have Faith in God" -- so you CAN
have Faith in God if you make a decision that you WANT
TO have Faith in God. That is Step # 1.
If you take Step # 1 --- then God will "be there for you"
to help you take Step # 2

"Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the
life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
John 14:6
If you really care about truth -- you will care about the
Lord Jesus who is the truth and the life too -- John 3:16's
Eternal Life.

There is no word from God on that, but there is a word
from God on many things that can be tested in the realm
of your personal life. For example you CAN test God with
regard to His invitation to you to open the door in
Revelation 3:20 and in John 3:16. You can take Step # 1
You CAN open the door. You can "work with yourself"
on that and you can "come to want to."

The Evil One loves to know that you keep telling yourself
such as that. You end up believing what you constantly
repeat to yourself. Its called the "power of say" -- you
often "get what you say" -- I do not understand
all about the "power of say" but I do know that if you
keep telling yourself that you are not the kind of person
that can ever "come to faith" then you may be "digging
your own grave" --- digging your own spiritual grave
so to speak.
You often "get what you say" -- so you can, if you want to,
say faith-building statements like "I CAN come to have Faith
in God." And you can do that too. You really can do that.
Untold millions have done that.

Best.

JAG

 

The inability to coexist with those who are different is anti-religious.

The truly religious say yes to existence, they celebrate existence, and accept the differences of humanity, venerate in it.

Those that don't, are bigots and to the same degree, anti-religious.

they make claim being religious, but they are not, they just pay lip service to it.

But saying yes to existence doesn't equal claiming religion. I do not claim any religion, but I believe I'm religious only in the sense that I believe the whole is god, which is pantheism. I have faith, but I do not have a faith, and the distinction is important. I have faith in the prospect that nature has something good in store for us all, eventually, but I do not claim to know what it is, or when it will happen. I do accept the prospect that I could be wrong on the point, it is just a belief.

 

I am surprised no one has picked you up on this, your obsessed with sex it appears, particularly what other people are doing to each other, how about you mind your own ****ing business and stop making your fantasies public!

CONSENT!

When a priest buggers a choir boy (dead or alive) or a sheep for that matter neither the choir boy nor the sheep can give CONSENT!

 

Faith without doubt is nothing short of arrogance. It is the mind of the tyrant, where the ends justify the means.

I disagree by the rational, not the emotional mind. The emotional mind believes themself to be victimized, buying into the theory of their ideology being under attack. This stems from a belief that an objective stance cannot exist, promoting a polarized worldview determined to initiate an endless war.

Conformity is not a virtue, to covert all into uniformity is the destruction of the individual. The open society understands this and is not interested in a singular belief structure, but rather the promotion of an open forum to debate, disagree and decide for ourselves the path we must take.

Science is not a god, and holds no place in the realm of gods. Science is an attempt to understand our material existence, religion deals with the spiritual, which is non-rational, not irrational. There is no antagonism between science and God, they operate on completely different planes of existence. To combine the non-rational with the rational is to destroy God and poison religion. Crafting a creature that walks between worlds, projecting our sins onto that which is divine.

The prosperity gospel idolizes wealth, believing faith shall be rewarded with materialistic wishes. Those who believe an authority is placed there with the grace of God have idolized power, believing man capable of walking with God. Man cannot walk alongside God, and faith is not to be rewarded on this Earth. Mankind is cast out from the holy cradle, destined to this ground of struggle. Faith which seeks material rewards is no longer faith, but instead, Greed masquerading as piety.

The worship of the self is a narcissistic brand of atheism common among Ayn Rand “objectivists.” Ego-fetishists who worship wealth and have becomes slaves to their hedonistic desires. Atheism has many deviations, but once it begins to idolize, it begins to undermine itself.

On Matthew 10:
To follow your heart is to challenge those around you. If you choose to be guided by your inner truth, it is most certain you will make enemies, even within your own family. Prepare yourself for those who will not accept your rebellion. And tribute those who follow their path with courage.

 

Miscellaneous Points:

Thank you for your reply.

Your posts, in many places, are abstract to the extent that many of your
phrases and sentences can have various meanings.

My view is that your System Of Thought is confused.

Also the very fact that you would choose "YourBrainIsGod" for your
screen name tells me that there is confusion within your System
Of Thought. God is a Person as presented in the Bible and is not
anyone's brain -- and not anyone's brain in any sense either. God
is a Person that is distinct from His creation and distinct from His
creatures.

My view is that the "general tone" of your postings is good and that
you are a good person with good motives.

Please consider my solution to what I believe is your "faith problem."

Read on , , , ,

The Lord Jesus said "Have faith in God" {Mark 11:22}

""without faith it is impossible to please God" {Hebrews 11:6}

"he that comes to God must believe that He exists and that He
is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him" {Hebrews 11:6}

The New Testament strongly encourages humans to have strong
undoubting faith in God.

Contrast your advice which is to introduce doubt into faith as if doubt
was a good thing.

I am 100% absolutely certain that John 3:16 is the truth.

"For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son
that whoever believes on Him shall not perish but have Eternal
Life." ___The Lord Jesus {John 3:16}

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Maybe You Just Selected The Wrong Word ? , , ,
It could be that you are using the wrong word. Maybe you
can consider finding another word besides "faith" to use to
make your point. How about the word "fanaticism"?

~ ~ Fanaticism without doubt is nothing short of arrogance. It
is the mind of the tyrant, where the ends justify the means ~ ~

If you will find another word besides "faith" then that would be better.

If you tell Christians {or the worlds some 5 billion Theists} that , , ,

"Faith without doubt is nothing short of arrogance. It is the mind of the
tyrant, where the ends justify the means."___YoyrBrainIsGod

, , your doing that raises all kinds of "red flags" that tell them that
you are not to be trusted.

Faith is one of THE most important concepts in the Bible and in
Christendom and in Theism and when you show disrespect for
the concept of faith you will not be able to effectively communicate
with Theists who will not trust you and not take your postings seriously.

Is This What You Are Really Trying To Say? , , , ,
If you are trying to say that people who are locked-down on ideology
to the extent that they are ideological fanatics that are arrogant tyrants
that will use any means to accomplish their goals --- if you will agree
to say that --and leave out the word "faith" --- you will in my view be
correct and also be able to successfully communicate with Christians
and Theists who enormously appreciate Faith-Without-Doubt.

Best.

JAG

I am going to "send this on" to you.

More later , , ,




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3 World Religions That Will Not Coexist With The Religion Of Secular Humanism

They coexist right now with the world the way it is.

 

See my post on this up-thread. Maybe you need the phrase
"ideological fanaticism" instead of the word "faith"?

There is in fact on Earth a War going on between Evil & Good.
This cannot be denied with any credibility.
A "polarized" world is reality.
The Bible is written in such a way as to fully recognize this War
that has always been -- and still is -- raging between the forces
of Good & Evil.
The Bible fully recognizes the existence of , , ,
~ the People Of God
and
~ the People of Satan

As a very brief aside: Who is Satan?
My view is that Satan is a Fallen Angel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan#Gospels,_Acts,_and_epistles
A very evil character, that Satan.
But we will not get "bogged down" with Satan.
If Satan gives you a intellectual problem, just substitute the People Of Evil

The Good News , , ,
Christendom eventually defeats the Forces Of Evil through peaceful
Christian evangelism. Think John 3:16

All human problems, at root, are spiritual problems and require spiritual
solutions. I am a strong Conservative Republican but I have enough
Biblical knowledge to know that there are no permanent political or
economical solutions to spiritual problems.

My key word is the word "permanent" , , , ,

It is true that Conservativism can and has done a huge amount
of Good in the world, but it is also true that if you "fix" a spiritual
problem with a political solution, that same spiritual problem will
"pop up again" somewhere in another form in another place.

, , , , , In another form in another place , , , ,

Why?

Because its impossible to actually fix spiritual problems with political
solutions. All "politics" is, is what "we do" or "do not do."

Bottom line is humanity can not eliminate John 3:16 from its
"medicine cabinet" and at the same time remain healthy and
strong.

Nonetheless, my entire family and I, have always been Conservative
Republicans.

"So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."__The Lord Jesus
John 8:36
Christianity sets the individual free to be himself living his life not
by legalistic principles of control, but rather living his life on the
New Testament principle of Love --- Love primarily - - Love and
all its ramifications.

Other New Testament principles are , , ,
~ Hope
~ Faith
~ Kindness
~ Patience
~ Gentleness
~ Self-control
~ Peace
~ Goodness
~ Joy
~ Faithfulness
~ Honesty
~ Integrity
~ Honor
See Galatians 5:22-23

On Biblical Christianity there is no lock-step rigid conformity to a
legalistic system of personal control over the individual person.

God sets you free to be you.

~ debate
~ disagree
~ decide
The 3 D's you say.

If the people of your 3 D's leave out John 3:16 then your 3 D-People
leave out the God that created them and His Son the Lord Jesus whom
the Father sent to die for them on the Cross -- and your , ,
3 D's of , ,
~ debate
~ disagree
~ decide , ,
will fail to achieve your desired Social & Political & Economic goals

You can not eliminate the God that created you, from your life and
your Politics and from your , ,
~ debates
~ disagreements
~ decisions , , ,
, , and at the same time be a successful healthy society.

Correct.
Science is not a god and not God either, but many have, de facto,
turned science into the False-god-Science and they, for all practical
purposes, worship their False-god-Science because they place their
False-god-Science BEFORE and ABOVE the God that created them.
Them doing this is Idolatry -- thus False-god-Science.

I am going to "send this on" to you.

More later , , ,

JAG

 

I should have titled my OP as follows , , ,
3 World Religions That Will Not Peacefully Coexist With The Religion Of Secular Humanism.
Anyway what I meant was explained in my opening paragraph in the OP
and explained in my follow-up posts. The long and short of it is that both
Islam and Christianity are aggressive evangelizing faiths and in that
sense they will not peacefully coexist with the Religion Of Secular
Humanism.

JAG Wrote:
It has been said that Secular Humanism seeks to advance secular
principles that will allow people with conflicting religious beliefs to
coexist. My view is The Religion Of Secular Humanism will fail to
achieve this goal in the 21st century and in all future human history.
My view is that The Religion Of Secular Humanism will eventually
be vanished off the planet by the world's major religions.

No coexistence.
Theism has 2 aggressive evangelizing Faiths, Islam and Christianity.
{You can add Judaism to a lesser evangelizing extent}
End quote.

____________

By The way, Just For The Record , , ,
I do not want to see Christian morality codified into law
and enforced by police with guns. Why not? Because to
enforce it would require a police state which would be a
very bad situation and would be a violation of Christianity's
Plan to peacefully evangelize the world with the results
that human beings will come to love God with all their
minds, hearts, and souls and will keep His laws because
they love Him and desire to please Him --- and not because
they fear courts backed up by police with guns. Rather my
view is that Christianity first changes hearts and minds through
peaceful evangelism, then THAT is what changes behavior. ___JAG

_________________


Back To The Conflict , , ,
There is another sense that the Religion Of Secular Humanism will
not peacefully coexist with either Islam or Christianity.

Start quote.
"New Atheism is a term coined by the journalist Gary Wolf in 2006 to
describe the positions promoted by some atheists of the twenty-first
century. This modern-day atheism is advanced by a group of thinkers
and writers who advocate the view that superstition, religion and
irrationalism should not simply be tolerated but should be countered,
criticized, and exposed by rational argument wherever their influence
arises in government, education, and politics. According to Richard
Ostling, Bertrand Russell, in his 1927 essay Why I Am Not a Christian,
made recommendations similar to those proposed by the New Atheists,
suggesting that there are no substantive differences between traditional
atheism and New Atheism."___Wiki article titled "New Atheism."
End quote.

My view is that up there is representative of the Political and Social policies
of many within both the Religion Of Atheism and the Religion Of Secular
Humanism that desires to keep the beliefs of the world's 5 billion Theists
out of politics, government, and education. Both Atheism and Secular
Humanism have a Worldview based upon their beliefs and you can see
some of their beliefs up there in the bolded black and the bolded red.


It ought to be clear from reading threads inside Thread World on the
Internet At large in all Social Media where text and videos are posted
that the Religion Of Atheism and the Religion Of Secular Humanism
is in constant conflict with the Religion Of Christianity. It is simply NOT
possible to deny this. To deny that this is the reality is to boldly deny
what you see constantly right in front of your eyes.

JAG


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Don't forget my suggestion that you drop the word "faith" and
use "fanaticism without doubt" is nothing short of arrogance.
"Fanaticism without doubt" is the mind of the tyrant where
the goals justify the means.

rational - "reason and logic"
Man has 3 basic elements
{1} Emotions
{2} Volition {Free Will}
{3} Intellect
I put Intellect at the bottom because Emotions and Volition are
above Intellect in the sense that the most important duty
of mankind is to LOVE God with all our heart, soul, and mind,
and LOVE is an Emotion.
The 2nd most important duty of mankind is to LOVE our neighbor
as we LOVE ourselves, and again LOVE is an Emotion.

You will no doubt say all 3 are crucial. Yes all 3 ARE crucial.
Yes indeed they are.

But it is usually the Intellect that begins to "monkey around"
in areas that are destructive to the human soul. Humans tend to
make their Intellects into False-god-Intellect and they de facto
worship their Intellects as their God -- as they refuse to exercise
Faith in God -- rather they exercise Faith in their Intellectualism
as manifested for example in the , , ,

~ Religion Of Evolution
~ Religion Of Atheism
~ Religion Of False-god-Science
~ Religion of False-god-Intellectualism
~ Religion Of Secular Humanism

The solution?
The solution is , , ,

1st to accept the Lord Jesus as our Savior {John 3:16}

2nd to learn to LOVE the Lord our God with all our
heart, mind, and soul

3rd to learn to LOVE our neighbor as we LOVE ourselves

4th we learn to submit our Intellects to the revealed Truth
that God has given us in His Holy Bible

5th we learn to rest in the truth found in Deuteronomy 29:29
which says "the secret things belong to God." This principle
is vital to our long term spiritual well beings. Why? Because
of that "Intellect thingy" again -- the Sin Principle combined
with the Human Intellect combined with Fallen Human Nature
apart from 1st, 2nd, 3rd,4th and 5th up there is a "soul destroyer"
and will wreck the Human Person.

Don't forget that Fallen Human Nature desires to BE God.
And THAT is THE , , BIG , , problem.

A significant number of people who practice the , , ,
~ Religion Of Evolution
~ Religion Of Atheism
~ Religion Of False-god-Science
~ Religion of False-god-Intellectualism
~ Religion Of Secular Humanism . . .

. . .are waging Ideological war against the Religion Of Christianity
in Thread World on the Internet At Large in all of Social Media where
text and videos are posted.

Not that I ONLT said "A significant number" was doing that.

I do not feel "victimized" -- rather I merely recognize that there
is an Ideological War raging on the Internet.

Christianity is indeed "under attack" on the Internet At Large as
explained up-post.

"Only the dead have seen an end to war."___Plato

A polarized world is reality.
■ Republicans v. Democrats
■ Conservatives v. Liberals
■ Tribe v. Globalism
■ Christianity v. Secularism
■ Atheism v. Theism
■ Good v. Evil
■ There are dozens of polar opposites in the 21st century

"I come not to bring peace, but a sword."__The Lord Jesus
_____________

"Politics is War by another name."__Karl von Clausewitz
"Only the dead have seen an end to War,"__Plato
_____________

If you actually pay attention to the 24 hour News Cycle you
see before your very eyes Constant War, or as you put it
"Endless War" -- between , ,
~ Political Parties {worldwide}
~ Ideological Tribes
~ Nations
~ Individuals
~ Tribes within nations {eg Republicans v, Democrats in America}
You see it.
You know it,

Agreed.
Long live the Great Individual.

The "open society" is locked down in Endless Ideological War.

"open society"___YourBrainIsGod
Your "open society" uses their "openness" to wage "Endless Ideological
Wars with the various factions living in the "open society" -- for example
take a long look at what is happening in the streets of America in some of
America's major cities --- and then take a long look at what the various
Ideological Factions are saying about all that rioting, looting, burning
of buildings, burning of police cars, law breaking, shooting police,
etc. Contradictions galore.

Then this:
Its gonna get worse too , , , ,
Why? Because the conflict between the Police and the Minority
Law Breakers is going to continue with the Police using deadly
force, which is going to keep this problem ONGOING for the
foreseeable future. There are no "science solutions" to this
problem.

The False-god-Intellectualism cannot solve this problem. This
problem has spiritual roots and the only solution is spiritual
solutions --- but you want to keep Christianity out of the "public
square" and you want Science and Intellectualism to solve this
problem, right? Science and Intellectualism cannot solve this
severe ongoing social problem. You MUST change the human
heart BEFORE you can change human behavior.

I commented up-thread on your interesting 3 D's
~ Debate
~ Disagree
~ Decide

Many, not all, but many, love and worship the False-god-Science
which, de facto, is their God -- and they have no other God but
their False-god-Science. And will not "have it any other way."

This is why we do NOT , , DO NOT , , understand our
"material existence" -- it is because we love and worship the
False-god-Science and we look to the False-god-Science
to explain our material existence but the False-god-Science
can , , , NOT , , , explain it --- only the true God that created us
can explain WHY we are here and WHAT it all means. And it
is simple too , , , listen to me , , , it is very very simple , ,
you MUST start with John 3:16 , , if you refuse to do that
very simple thing you will NEVER know the WHY you are
here and WHAT you are supposed to be doing and why
you are supposed to be doing it.

You just stated a principle.
Your principle, if followed, will destroy your soul.
It is Fallen Human Nature than desires to compartmentalize Truth.
Put Christianity in the room marked Christianity.
Put Science in the room marked Science.
Keep them separated forever
Net results?
The net results is that the God that created you and His Son the
Lord Jesus is EXCLUDED from your "Open Society" as it , , , ,
~ Debates
~ Disagrees
~ Decides
Here, you will Fail.
I tell you that you will FAIL.
You can NOT exclude the God that created you and that sent His
Son the Lord Jesus to die on a cruel Cross for your sins -- you can
NOT exclude Him and at the sane time have a strong healthy
"Open Society."
"without me you can do nothing."__The Lord Jesus

It is not clear what you mean by that.
I would encourage you to consider that God and True Science
ought to be in the same room all the time and ought to be
understood as being 100% in perfect harmony.
I recently wrote the following.
It fits here perfectly.
JAG Wrote:
I LOVE science. True science. My view is that God LOVES
true science too, for example Math , , ,

My view is that Math originated in the nature of God who
is the Original Mathematician --- just as all the other
disciplines also originated in the nature of God.

God Is The , , , ,
Original Mathematician
Original Physicist
Original Cosmologist
Original Inventor
Original Artist
Original Scientist
Original Oceanographer
Original Philosopher
Original Epistemologist
Original Empiricist
Original Poet
Original Writer
Original Lover {wanting the best for others}
Original Chooser { Volition }
Original Economist
Original Emotion-ist {the full range of All Good Emotions}
Original Planner
Original Creator
Original Designer
Original Technologist
Original Educator
Original Everything Good , , ,

, , and we humans participate in all that up there since we are
made in the image of God , , ,

, , and that above is why human beings, made in the image of God,
have been able to build the modern world and will be able to keep making
progress in Science and Technology for ever and ever, even when the
human race makes the transition from Earthly human history to Eternity.

Humans are made in the image of God and God has , ,
~ An Intellect --- and so do we humans
~ Emotions --- and so do we humans
~ Volition {a Will, the ability to choose -- and so do we humans

God's Human Race Project ends victoriously.

Long live science. True science.

Write me a post and explain in detail what you mean by that.
You are an interesting writer. Explain that to me. Please.

Explain, in detail, what you mean when you say that. {If you don't mind}

JAG

More later , ,