Gender confusion

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    There seems to be the belief that humans can never be sure of their orientation or even their gender.

    It’s all fluid we’re told.

    I’ve studied ethology and this confusion does not exist among other animal specie

    So why are humans confused when even our animal cousins don’t obsess or even care about it?
     
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    It's all about certain people trying to be unique or different, much like people dying their hair green or getting face piercings.
     
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    It's all about the mind games. If you've ever had sex with a true pervert you know what i'm talking about.
     
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    Because God gave us a more advanced brain that gives us imagination allows us to dream up things to worry and complain about.
     
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    Yep and being mandatorily idle isn’t helping.
     
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    It's post modernism, they see human being as a complete blank state, that started with people like Freud. For them, the real don't really exist. There was a scientist named Sokal that managed to get in the most "prestigious" social "science" validate an article about Pi varying around cultures.
    It's just a form of absolute nihilism. I think on that point Nietzsche make a lot of good points on what's happening today. For instance on that case on nihilism, about that underlying trend in people to want to self destroy themselves, self destruction wish that express itself as a reject of the body, of the will of power. Basically, they want to die, but that's not a conscious wish, so they start by hating their body.
    That despise of absolute despise for everything that is bodily is quite well rooted in western societies, with for instance Plato.

    Furthermore, most of them are slugs constantly in front of their screen, they never tested their body, and all their work, if they worked is repetitive task on a computer. That's why you won't see that kind of absurdities in a society where the body is constantly used for work, such the poorest society today.

    It's not human that are confused, just a bunch of Californian. Muslims aren't, subsaharian African aren't and you can be sure that if you try to spread that kind in communist china, you would "disappear".

    It's not uncommon for people who live to uncomfortably to imagine absurdities such as that. I think there is strong similarity with late french nobility who was all about wigs and make up. Obviously, it ended quite annoying for french peasants to be ruled by such people.
     
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    Most people are unambiguously one gender or the other.
    When I saw the ad for the prescription medicine to prevent HIV and heard it is less effective for those “assigned female at birth” I knew the dam collapsed.
    These are females and virtually all are happy to be considered female.
    The ad is another example of social engineering within the marketplace now.
    This is the new goalpost that was skillfully moved in the middle of the night.
     
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    Recently, a Census worker knocked on my door. I recognized him slightly and asked if we met before. He is in my building and we crossed paths a few times in the common areas. He asked the required questions and then asked my gender. I laughed and asked him what gender he thought I was and, without missing a beat, he says "I have to know what you identify as.". I never responded and he answered it for himself.

    I really don't like the idea of people being pushed into labeled boxes but, this one by a long shot, is just unreal. Then, again, I was also shocked to read about people identifying as otherkin.
     
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    I identify as a multi billionaire and expect to be treated as such :)
     
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    Interesting question. There are a number of differences between humans and animals but for the sake of this question I would probably point to the fact that animals are not as picky about gender when having sex. Whereas humans are very judgemental. This has led some to come up with a reason why. Thus the ever evolving world and terms revolving around sex and gender (which are two very different things).
     
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    You are born either a gun or a holster, if not, travel with the carnival and bunkmate with the bearded lady.
     
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    Non human animals have a definite interest in procreation and so do humans apparently. Ethology explains this better than I can. Some of the newer studies have shown that homosexuality is more common in later offspring and tends to correlate with the mother’s male siblings who were later discovered to be homosexual. In other words the ability to procreate tends to outweigh homosexual desires which nature tends to view as a neutral biological desire but not protected ethologically.
     
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    Prepare to have your taxes raised :)
     
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    Yes, it makes sense. Maybe we are witnessing what the beginning of hermaphrodotism in humans looks like.......
     
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    Something that interest me is the matter of societies that become crazy. There is multiple cases that we can says that there was case of mass paranoia, such case would be of the witch hunt.
    That lead to two questions :
    Craziness today, on medical term is defined in a social context, and according to cultural norms, which wasn't always the case. Because of that it become according to that definition to have an absolute notion of "craziness" as it's a defined by social norms, and so varying. How can we define then an absolute definition of craziness ? It require that we have a standard in sanity.
    The second point is : How do I know if the society around me is crazy ?
     
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    I agree especially when we cannot keep up with the labels or what is preferred/offensive to whom. We humans have a way of making things far more complex then they have to be.
     
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    Fortunately this is where magical thinking ends and there are no financial statements to justify an increase to my taxes here or back in the states.
    But in the new pc world I expect everyone to bow to my need for the self esteem of being a billionaire.
    To deny me this is to disrespect my emotional needs.
    Merchants beware I’m looking for a much better lifestyle :)
     
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    I’m wondering this myself.
    And I wonder if this robs us of our natural humanness.
     
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    I'm selfish so I hope I'm not around to see that happen. I'm quite happy with who I am.
     
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    Strictly scientifically speaking, sex is determined in utero before the development of the brain. For 98% of people this isnt a problem.
     
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    The problem is a crisis in purpose.

    1. Our advanced society has eliminated most of the obstacles to survival that would normally occupy attention. If you asked someone 200 years ago what worried them most it was whether or not it would rain enough for their crop to succeed. People are pretty simple. We can only pay attention to so many problems at once.

    2. Our advanced society has connected us competitively in ways that we have never before experienced. 200 years ago if you were doing better than someone a mile away you felt pretty good about yourself and you could be satisfied by the attention that drew. Now there is a sense of competition for attention between everyone on the planet.

    3. Social media has reshaped the way people express and shape identity. It has also reshaped the way people seek approval for that identity. Online, it's quite simple to project a fantasy of who you want to be.

    Add those three things together and you have a society that occupied with thoughts about fitting into the world, fighting for attention in that world, and worrying about their place in the hierarchy of the world.
     
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    It's definitely not a healthy comparison.

    Compare yourself to who you were yesterday. Don't compare yourself to what you perceive to be the most successful people in the world.
     
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    This conversation reminded me of this video which I saw a couple months ago. Morgan took some heat for denying there are more than two genders.

     
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    Political power. Other animals aren't crippled by politics.
     
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    Good point. I'd take it a little deeper and say it's religious dominance that leads to political power.
     

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