I'm Not Giving Up The Watchmaker Argument , , , ,

No "Wow" involved in it. Rather a Big Yawn.
Linking to atheist web pages is in harmony with
your Religion Of Atheism and is un-noteworthy.
Your little tiny band of "thank-you'ers" know it.

By the way, Google will not be your friend when
your certain coming desperate hour of need
comes upon you, and it will come upon you with
the certainty of 2 + 2 = 4, if you die from natural
causes. At that time Google will not be there for
you and neither will your Religion Of Atheism.
Neither will those atheist web pages you linked
to. It is not long term good for a man to become
Voltaire'd.

"For you know the grace of our LORD Jesus Christ,
that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became
poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich."
__2 Cor. 8:9


JAG


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They are mistaken.
"To err is human."

JAG

 

And right on cue the threats of death and not living forever start, snake oil salesman cannot change!

 

Again you prove atheists exist, Their belief may be mistaken BUT THEY STILL BELIEVE IT.

 

That's a Faith belief.
You do not know that.
And your use of CAPS means 000000

Proposition: Every self-professed "atheist" in the world
has self-doubts, at times, regarding his atheism.

You Cybred do not know that proposition is not true.
You have no way of knowing that.

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All men know there is a God that created them.

The requirements of the Laws of God are
"written on their hearts" Romans 2:15

Men "suppress the truth" Romans 1:18

Romans 1: 18-20 teaches that all men know there
is a God based upon what they see in Creation.

You know there is a God that created you.

___________

Thought For Today , , ,
"No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through
him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death
nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor
the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor
anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from
the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Romans 8:37-39

Best.

JAG

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My mom is an atheist, so yes I DO know.

 

And boy, do you do that all day and every day.......

 

No different then you providing links to support your unrealistic beliefs:

...or quoting your silly bible.

You keep quoting the bible as though that is supposed to mean something to an atheist.

 

Rather hypocritical of you when you keep referring to Christians websites and the Bible.

and it will come upon you with
the certainty of 2 + 2 = 4, if you die from natural
causes.

2 + 2 = 4 is another manmade equation.

 

So you say.
i have no idea who you are.
I do not have any faith in what you say.
My Faith Based Belief is there is no such thing as
an atheist and I shall hold that Faith Based Belief
regardless of what you post.
I stand solid on the following , , ,
All men know there is a God that created them
I stand on these Biblical passages , , ,
Romans 1:19-20
Romans 2:15
Romans 1:18
Psalm 19:1-4
Ecclesiastes 3:11

JAG

 

Not unrealistic merely because you assert they are unrealistic.

Your rude discourteous comment duly noted.

There is no such thing as an atheist.

Moreover the Bible is the world's number 1 best seller year
after year, so you are in very popular territory when you
read Bible verses,

"Your brother will rise again"__The Lord Jesus

Lazarus Died , , ,
“Lord,” Martha said to Jesus, “if you had been here, my brother
would not have died. But I know that even now God will give
you whatever you ask.”

Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”

Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes
in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me
will never die. Do you believe this?”

“Yes, Lord,” she replied, “I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God,
who is to come into the world.” ___John 11: 21- 27

Best.

JAG

 

Incorrect.
By the way , , ,
I would encourage you to improve the content of what you post.

Brief snide snippy insults followed by 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, 8 grinning
green smiley faces is not robust noteworthy commenting.

JAG

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So your going to ignore reason, facts and logic. Got it

 

That's what you say , , ,
but , , ,
You are not the authority on what is, or is not, reasonable.
You are not the authority on what is, or is not, factual.
You are not the authority on what is, or is not logical.

In my view the following is reasonable, logical, and factual.

I am not going to give up my Faith Based Beliefs in those
5 Biblical verses/passages below just because somebody
on the Internet, that I do not even know, asserts something
to be true.

i have no idea who you are.

I do not have any faith in what you say.

My Faith Based Belief is there is no such thing as
an atheist and I shall hold that Faith Based Belief
regardless of what you post.

I stand solid on the following , , ,

All men know there is a God that created them
I stand on these Biblical passages , , ,
Romans 1:19-20
Romans 2:15
Romans 1:18
Psalm 19:1-4
Ecclesiastes 3:11

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By the way, why do you care what I believe about atheists?

What difference does it make to you, if I do not believe there
is any such thing as an atheist?

JAG

PS

The correct word is you're, not your.

PSS
I will be glad to chat with you on some subjects of mutual interest.
What are some subjects that interest you?

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Actually the thread is about the watchmaker argument, which can apply to any concept of intelligent design (as opposed to the one origin mentioned earlier). The watchmaker argument does not make any provision for or against an omni anything.

 

Did you "note" my rude discourteous comment in the same notebook where you keep all your condescending remarks?

 

Actually he does, he can read the testament of atheists.

What you have highlighted is an essential difference between the religious and non religious.

I have been an atheist all my life, I have read of many different gods and found some concepts interesting, so I always follow the evidence where ever it takes me. I have nothing invested in being an atheist, if a good argument came up for a god tomorrow and the evidence convinced me then I would be happy to acknowledge that in a heartbeat. That is not doubt, that is a logical and reasoned way to go through life.

Compare that to a religious person, you have the conclusion and must fit the evidence to your world view, you have a lot invested in your god and must defend it against any and all arguments against it. Clearly you are going to have doubt, your world view makes it almost impossible not to have doubts.

Lets look at the Resurrection as an example, you believe a man was raised bodily from the dead, you live in the 21st century where we understand what death is, what happens when a person is dead, we understand the chemistry and biology of death, somehow you have to ignore all the knowledge the modern world has painfully acquired and ignore it to believe that somehow this miracle happened. It must screw with peoples heads to think the rules by which we live, the rules of physics, chemistry and biology can be suspended at any time by your god. Where is the grounding for your life, how can you trust anything, how can you even be sure that the sun will rise tomorrow? It is no wonder you cannot conceive of others living in your world without the doubt you have to endure every minute of every day!

 

RE: I'm Not Giving Up The Watchmaker Argument , , , ,
⁜→ JAG, et al,

BLUF: It appears tthat you may have a mistaken belief on an unsound argument. (Deductive Reasoning) Your argument is sound on shakey ground. I think it violated the concept that the argument is sound IF and only IF it is both valid (“P if and only if Q"), and all of its Premises are actually true. In this case, one premise (P) states: "All men know there is a God that created them."

(AN OPPOSING VIEW)

This Premise ("All men know there is a God that created them.") is founded on the Doctrine of Creation (faith in God the creator).

I submit that on this point that the "Doctrine of the Creation" is the principle content of Christianity as an Article of Faith (ie Faith-based). To say this is sound and valid is to be anchored on knowledge which → no man has (or ever will) the ability to acquire without supernatural insight.



Most Respectfully,
R

 

Neither are you an authority on what is .....................

What is amazing is that yourely on a book that is 2000-2500 years old and refuse to accept the knowledge we have now brings things more up-to-date. Yet you don't refuse to accept that medical and other science in the the Egyptian period of the same time has been updated over the centuries. You're quite prepared to accept modern medicine/science. Hypocritical, don't you think?

 

My bold. That's a typo: the correct version reads "All men know there is a God that they created."

 

condescending - having or showing a feeling of patronizing superiority

My remarks are no more condescending than your remarks
and no more condescending than any other poster who is
convinced that he is correct in what he posts.

"your silly bible"___Richard The Last
This is a clear instance of a condescending remark.

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Thought For Today.
"Therefore, since we have been justified through faith,
we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
through whom we have gained access by faith into this
grace in which we now stand."__The Apostle Paul
Romans 5:1

Best.

JAG


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I cannot think of anything more condescending than suggesting you know the mind of atheists better than they do because you read it in a old book!

 

If an atheist does not believe in God.. then why would they spend so much time telling us so and spending an ungodly amount of time to do so?

BTW that whole Resurrection thingy.. well it seems completely doable by an omnipotent being.. the same omnipotent being that created the whole of the Universe as we know it.

 

In post #66 you said:
"intraspecies evolution .. yes.. extraspeices evolution.. no proof."

You claim to be a scientist; kindly enlighten us with your definition of "extraspecies evolution".

 

Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent, supernatural. All words made up by man to describe something/being they cannot know, above understanding.by the human mind. Then why should anyone believe the book written by man.