Nobody is talking healthcare—and it would elect Biden

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  1. TedintheShed

    TedintheShed Banned

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    I don't. I'd rather have nothing than a public option.
     
  2. PatriotNews

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    What propelled democrats in 2018 was some 30+ hate Trump Never-Trumpers quit the house including the Speaker of the House Paul Rino. What propelled democrats in 2018 was two years of the mainstream media lies about our president colluding with Russia. What propelled the democrats in 2018 was the leaks from the Mueller investigation/#SPYGATE cover-up and their indictments of Republican political operative on trumped up charges.
    I guess democrats just love demonizing everyone. Our doctors, nurses and every other specialists in the healthcare industry have worked heroically and selflessly to save the lives of tens of thousands of Americans and all you people can do is beat up on them and the work they do. You want them to work for free, you want the government to take over their industries and eliminate their employers.

    I don't think your empty promises of free socialized healthcare will go over well with the 150 million Americans who like their insurance and healthcare providers. Taking away 150 million people's healthcare doesn't sound like a winning campaign pitch. Good luck.
     
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    EyesWideOpen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How so, all the democrats were beating up Biden over the ACA

    From Forbes: Joe Biden Faced Intense Criticism Of His Record In Merciless Democratic Presidential Debate

    Starting the debate with the same healthcare question posed at Tuesday’s debate, Biden defended an extension of former President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act over Bernie Sanders’ Medicare for All, which he said would cost too much. But Harris said Biden’s proposal would exclude 10 million Americans as opposed to Sanders’ bill, which she said people could sign up to from Day One.
     
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    You wrote...
    So how does that happen? How do you wind up forcing private for-profit companies to lower costs if it isn't through a public mandate, aka government oversight, which is what CMS does?
     
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    So what do you propose since medical costs under the current system are not very sustainable?
     
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    I propose people buy healthcare insurance. They will pay if you get sick. That's how it has always worked.
     
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    SMH

    But that is the problem right there. Without the Obamacare subsidies, many people couldn't afford health insurance premiums. That is what is the issue, affordability of the premium, and deductibles and all that other stuff too.
     
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    But that is the problem right there. Democrats think the federal government is responsible for the healthcare insurance costs of every man woman and child in the US.

    Please consult the Constitution, 10th Amendment.
     
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    Here is a somewhat comprehensive list of actions that has resulted in the current health care issue:
    • In 1910, the physician oligopoly was started during the Republican administration of William Taft after the American Medical Association lobbied the states to strengthen the regulation of medical licensure and allow their state AMA offices to oversee the closure or merger of nearly half of medical schools and also the reduction of class sizes. The states have been subsidizing the education of the number of doctors recommended by the AMA.
    • In 1925, prescription drug monopolies begun after the federal government led by Republican President Calvin Coolidge started allowing the patenting of drugs. (Drug monopolies have also been promoted by government research and development subsidies targeted to favored pharmaceutical companies.)
    • In 1945, buyer monopolization begun after the McCarran-Ferguson Act led by the Roosevelt Administration exempted the business of medical insurance from most federal regulation, including antitrust laws. (States have also more recently contributed to the monopolization by requiring health care plans to meet standards for coverage.)
    • In 1946, institutional provider monopolization begun after favored hospitals received federal subsidies (matching grants and loans) provided under the Hospital Survey and Construction Act passed during the Truman Administration. (States have also been exempting non-profit hospitals from antitrust laws.)
    • In 1951, employers started to become the dominant third-party insurance buyer during the Truman Administration after the Internal Revenue Service declared group premiums tax-deductible.
    • In 1965, nationalization was started with a government buyer monopoly after the Johnson Administration led passage of Medicare and Medicaid which provided health insurance for the elderly and poor, respectively.
    • In 1972, institutional provider monopolization was strengthened after the Nixon Administration started restricting the supply of hospitals by requiring federal certificate-of-need for the construction of medical facilities.
    • In 1974, buyer monopolization was strengthened during the Nixon Administration after the Employee Retirement Income Security Act exempted employee health benefit plans offered by large employers (e.g., HMOs) from state regulations and lawsuits (e.g., brought by people denied coverage).
    • In 1984, prescription drug monopolies were strengthened during the Reagan Administration after the Drug Price Competition and Patent Term Restoration Act permitted the extension of patents beyond 20 years. (The government has also allowed pharmaceuticals companies to bribe physicians to prescribe more expensive drugs.)
    • In 2003, prescription drug monopolies were strengthened during the Bush Administration after the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act provided subsidies to the elderly for drugs.
    • In 2014, nationalization will be strengthened after the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010 (“Obamacare”) provided mandates, subsidies and insurance exchanges, and the expansion of Medicaid.

    These layers need peeled back and revoked. This may not lead even to a decrease in current prices (although it is probable), however is will prevent the rampant out of control year over year increases that we currently see. This will result in incomes catching up to cost
     
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    Medical costs are high because the consumer doesn't pay the bill.
    Want to lower costs? Remove the insulation between the provider and the consumer.
     
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    Spoken by someone who doesn't care how much interest he pays, so ling as he can afford the monthly payment.
     
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    Neither is Social Security or Medicare, but I dare anyone to reverse course on those.

    Healthcare, just like SSI, is part of the social safety nets that WE as a society decided upon. And you're skirting the question; what do you want to replace it with?
     
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    Well I have been a critic of the Social Security system and Medicare as well. I think they should be privatized or relegated to the states.

    Why do we need to replace healthcare?
     
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    That's all I needed to know. Thank you for playing. Have a nice day.
     
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    We have an amazing healthcare industry. Many awesome hospitals, filled with the best doctors and nurses in the world. Why do we need to replace it? Many people are very happy with their healthcare. Why do liberals think they can't hate on something then run up on you and say, "I don't like this but let me run it and it'll get better".

    Why do libs keep putting down doctors and nurses?
     
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    Let's see now, radical elements of the political Left is demonizing the police, burning down swaths of Dem Party controlled cities for month after month and also the political Left is getting caught in lie after lie about Trump as their anonymous sources or quotes taken out of context blows up in their faces . . . without fail and so -- yes -- the Obama-Biden massive failure in socialized Heath Care will most certainly put Biden into the winner's circle . . . not.
     
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    Apparently YOU are the only one mentioning doctors and nurses. I'm talking about how health services should be paid. What you're talking about I have no real clue.

    Even if we moved to a Medicare for All (or other universal health system), those same doctors and nurses will still be doctors and nurses. Since you appear to believe in a Darwinistic approach to social issues -- I could be wrong, feel free to correct me -- then I would venture to say you're not versed in what the issues are.
     
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    More complaints about having to pay your just dues

    it costs to live in a “developed country” and the cost is payment to all ao all can be treated fairly
     
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    Well you keep that pipe dream of Medicare for all. It'll never happen because America is not a socialist country and we never will be.

    I don't know how you expect to win elections by putting down our healthcare providers which is made up of the best doctors and nurses and other professionals in the world.

    Also, taking away the private medical care from 180 million people who like their healthcare isn't a winning issue.
     
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    so 31% of people dont want to be forced to buy it.

    You do realize this isn't a total democracy, right?
     
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    No one is forcing me to drive on public roads. So, =\=.

    Try again.
     
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    First off, I'm not running for office.

    Secondly, I am NOT discussing doctors or nurses. YOU are the one that keeps mentioning this.

    Thirdly, pulling bs numbers out of your nether regions only underlines your inability to engage the topic. If you MUST pontificate your beliefs, don't use me as some imaginary foil.
     
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    The democratic argument is akin to saying that because some people have artificial limbs everybody has to amputate a limb to make artificial limbs more affordable and life more "fair". There is nothing rational or fair about screwing up the system that works for 80+% of America to benefit 10-20% of America.
     
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    What???
    That is a classic straw man argument
     

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