To be clear: "antifa" is an adjective. Not a group.

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I know that wingnut media has been successful in convincing their viewers that "antifa" is a group. So successful that even some of us who are not right-wingers sometimes use the term as if it were. But even the President* of the United States pushes this false narrative to the point where even some in the Corporate Media use it that way sometimes.

    "Antifa" is short for "anti-fascist". It's an adjective. An adjective is a word that modifies a noun. So you can say "John is an antifa" or "Mary has an antifa ideology" or even (what might have created the confusion). "I'm an antifa", which means "I'm an antifascist". They qualify, respectively, "John", "Mary" and "I".

    But it's an adjective. Like "racist". You would never say "racist is a terrorist group". Or "racist performed acts of violence". There are racists who perform acts of violence, and there are those who don't, and are just an embarrassment to mankind.

    There is no group called "antifa". There are groups of people who are antifas. That just means they hold an ideology contrary to fascism. Some of them might commit acts of violence. And I (personally) completely oppose the violence. I don't think it's an effective way to deal with white supremacists and fascists at this point. It's absolutely counter-productive. But just like there are groups of antifas, there are groups of trekkies (people who love Star Trek). That is not the same as saying that "trekkies" (or "antifas") is, in and of itself, an organized group.
     
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    It does not make a lot of difference whether it is an adjective or a noun. The group, whether is only composed of people with the same objective or a group who name is antifa, the result is the same. Violence. It is a bit like talking about white supremist. There is no such group named white supremist.

    So much for this revelation. Another waste of perfectly good broadband.
     
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    The don't have a clear leader but you can group them together just like ISIS.
     
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    The same premise says no one should be called a nazi.
     
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    Right wingers best stay clear of any D Day films. Antifa with that many guns will send them doolally...
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    They should be called "neo-nazis". "Nazi" is just shorthand.

    But you can call anti-fascist people, "antifas". This is not about "calling" them. It's about grouping them. And antifas are not a group.
     
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    Oh but the are now officially a domestic terror group. DOJ says so.
     
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    Funny how they act just like fascists.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is this the latest liberal guidelines in redefining ****?
     
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    They are self loathing turds. Maybe we should call them Antifafas? Anti fascist fascists. Make them sound even more like fairies than their name already sounds like.
     
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    Exactly. The irony of a group calling itself anti fascist and then behaving exactly like a bunch of fascists is palpable.
     
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    Antifa, the domestic terror wing of ISIS...
     
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    So much for your tag line that you actually researched something. Truly, there is no truth in that advertising.
     
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    Of course the don't have Facebook pages... but wait.... they do.... And Facebook doesn't kick them out. Fascinating.
     
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    I've always used "Antifa" as a catch all term to describe the leftist riot rats out in the streets, tearing up cities, and LARPing as revolutionaries.

    Antifa was never all that organized to begin with, and, once Trump had them, quite-appropriately, classified as a terrorist organization, the cowardly cockroaches basically scattered. Their cowardice heavily-outweighed their devotion to "the flag", and they ripped the Antifa patches off their cutesy Che Guevara costumes, and just became an even looser, and more-disorganized, rabble of riot rats.
     
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    No. Actually the left did not invent adjectives. The fact that you are learning about them now, instead of when everybody else learns about them (i.e. second grade), does not mean they didn't exist a long time ago.
     
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    Are they saying that people should inject household cleaner to cure covid or some other Trump nonsense like that? If not then..,. I guess that's why.
     
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    The left always accuse others of doing what they are doing themselves.
     
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    Ah.. the literalist approach... Keep dancing. It might make you miss reality some more.
     
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    Wow. That's really f'd up. Comparing US & Allied soldiers fighting the Nazis with violent fascist domestic terrorist groups parading as anti-fascists.
     
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    They picked the name did they not? If it isn't grammatically correct enough, maybe the democrats can help them come up with a new name. Most people don't really care what the terrorist group calls itself, it is the anarchist ideology that is concerning.

    I mean what did you really expect from a bunch morons running around in ski masks fighting a nonexistent enemy.
     
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    nope it’s a terrorist group backed by the dnc and supported by the biden campaign.

    dnc brownshirts is what they are
     
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    Oh... so when Trump proposed injecting disinfectant, he meant it "figuratively".

    To defend Trump from his own nonsense, his loyalists will need to have a very vivid imagination. But they'll have to do much better than that to convince anybody who is not a far-gone unconditional Trump loyalist (forum rules don't allow me to use the best word to describe this, but we all know what that is).
     
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    Who is "they"? Antifa is a word that has been around since the 1930s. The earliest use was from a real group in Germany that no longer exists called Antifaschistische Aktion and used Antifa as shorthand.. After that it was used as an adjective interchangeably with "anti-fascist" throughout WWII and beyond.

    Of course, antifas chose to be anti-fascists, if that's what you meant. Just like trekies choose to be Star Trek fans. That doesn't mean that they are a "group".
     
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    "They" are the groups that self identify as Antifa. What would you like to call them if not Antifa?

    "Antifa (/ænˈtiːfə, ˈæntiˌfɑː/)[1] is an anti-fascist and left-wing political movement in the United States[2][3][4][5] comprising an array of autonomous[6][7] groups..."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

    Antifa, as it is used to reference these groups, is a name or noun. Yes these anarchist believe they are anti fascists, and their name is a descriptor, but that is no different than many other names that derive from descriptors. Have you never looked into the origin of anyone's name?

    To use one of your examples:

    "The name Mary means Of The Sea Or Bitter..."
    https://www.babynames.com/name/mary

    If you say "She is Mary", is Mary an adjective because it means of the sea? I think not.

    name
    noun

    \ ˈnām \
    Definition of name
    (Entry 1 of 3)

    1a: a word or phrase that constitutes the distinctive designation of a person or thing.
    The boy's name is Brad.
    b: a word or symbol used in logic to designate an entity
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/name

    Antifa is a group or groups, and you can absolutely label them terrorist.
     

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