Growing research indicates many COVID-19 cases might not be infectious at all

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  1. EyesWideOpen

    EyesWideOpen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now it appears that our tests are too sensitive, and 90% of the people who are being tested positive have such a low viral load that they are not even actually infected?

    So how many people have been classified as having died from COVID, when they may not have actually even been "infected?"

    This is sort of like having a cut on your arm, it will test positive for bacteria, but the bacterial load is too low to cause an infection. Sadly, the overly sensitive, inaccurate test incorrectly assumed a low bacteria count was gangrene, and the doctor cut off a perfectly healthy arm. All because of an inaccurate, way too sensitive test giving him false information.

    I've read other articles saying the tests are seeing dead virus cells, and because they sill have the DNA markers the test comes back positive, for dead cells floating around in your nose. Other articles said people who beat the virus are testing positive, making it seem like the person is infected, when all it is, is dead cells still floating around.

    Growing research indicates many COVID-19 cases might not be infectious at all

    A growing body of research suggests that a significant number of confirmed COVID-19 infections in the U.S. — perhaps as many as 9 out of every 10 — may not be infectious at all, with much of the country's testing equipment possibly picking up mere fragments of the disease rather than full-blown infections.

    Yet a burgeoning line of scientific inquiry suggests that many confirmed infections of COVID-19 may actually be just residual traces of the virus itself, a contention that — if true — may suggest both that current high levels of positive viruses are clinically insignificant and that the mitigation measures used to suppress them may be excessive.
     
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    Hmmmmmmmm


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    Although testing is vital to containment a high positivity rate does NOT mean that there is less of a threat. There are still hundreds of thousands dying from this disease
     
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    Deaths and hospitalizations are the true indicators.
    It's all fun and games with numbers until your grandmother dies of the virus.
     
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    You can try to politicize science just because you don't like who reports what scientists say, I don't care
     
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    Says the guy politicizing the science as your thread is in Political Opinions and Beliefs.
     
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    Just so I understand your article says maybe only 600,000 have had the virus, but 200,000 have died from it?
    Does this really make sense to you?
     
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    Who is trying to “politicise science”? Multiple people have pointed out that the positivity rate on the testing does not alter the baseline effect of the virus on the population
     
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    It also overlooks those who have actually contracted the disease and remained asymptomatic and have not been tested
     
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    I put it here because I knew some people would politicize it, and they have
     
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    Yes it does. I don't see how we can ever get an accurate look at this virus when so many people have actually come in contact with the virus, but were never able to infect others because their immune system quickly defeated it, and now have the antigen for it, and they were never tested.
     
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    It does if the "baseline effect" is millions came in contact with it, but were never clinically infected, and thus were never contagious.
     
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    You skipped over the part where they said 90% of the people who were assumed to be inflected may not have been. In other words, people could have died from heart or liver disease or cancer, and were never clinically infected with COVID. All that may have occurred was they had was a trace amount of the virus in their nasal passages, or blood, and our overly sensitive tests falsely indicated they were infected.
     
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    Don’t piss on my head and tell me it’s raining
     
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    So you are maintaining our testing is useless and our doctors and medical examiners are complete incompetents ???
     
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    And those same opinions would not just be about U.S. testing and doctors, but around the entire globe????
     
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    Read what the CDC says. No matter what the tests show that hasn't stopped the deaths. The object is to stop the deaths not argue about semantics.
     
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    Geez, don't try and tell us you have not seen how COVID has been politicized.
     
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    It's not semantics if people were falsely assumed to have died from COVID, and were actually not infected with COVID, hence didn't die from COVID, and all the had was trace amounts of the virus.
     
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    I wouldn’t tell you that, which is why I didn’t say as much. Just don’t tell me you’re not politicizing it.
     
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    The article wasn't very well written, but apparently there is some indication that certain tests weren't set up properly. It's not very specific, nor does it state the extent these tests were used. To me, it's hard to believe that our total cases are off by a degree of 9 to 1 and nobody noticed.
     
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    The tests were accurate, but the sensitivity was set too high. I've read articles that said the tests we use are so sensitive they will see dead virus cells, and because the DNA matches, they produce a positive result.

    I know analogies can be imperfect, but to me this is like having a cut on your arm. With an overly sensitive test, the cut will test positive with just trace amounts of bacteria, but this does not mean your cut is infected. Just like a person testing positive for trace amounts of COVID, it doesn't mean the person is clinically infected, it just means they were exposed to the virus cells, alive or dead.
     
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    I'm not. Show me where I have done so in this thread? Don't bother, because I haven't.
     
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    Do you not realize which section you posted in???
     

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