A foreshadowing of things to come.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    After Florida passed a referendum allowing felons to vote following the completion of their sentence the Party of Trump recognized it as a potential electoral threat. The party did not think the will of the people should prevail if it meant trouble for it in the future. Especially in this year's presidential election with FL being a key swing state. So Gov. DeSantis appealed a lower court ruling in the POT's attempt to thwart the will of the people. A federal judge had ruled that it was akin to an unconstitutional poll tax for Florida to require that people with serious criminal convictions pay court fines and fees before they can register to vote. The POT sought to reverse that ruling.

    "In the Florida case, the appeals court sided with the administration of Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, and found that the felons who sued had failed to prove a violation to the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.

    Five of the six judges who supported the 60-page decision were appointed to the court by President Trump. Two of those judges were also former Florida Supreme Court justices named to that bench by Mr. DeSantis."
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/11/us/florida-felon-voting-rights.html

    Now you see why Mitch McTreason has spent all his time during the last 3 1/2 years packing the federal courts with right wing ideologues who were nominated for their loyalty to the cause, not their legal acumen. Some of which were so egregiously unqualified they were forced to withdraw their names from consideration when their lack of fitness was exposed publicly.
    https://www.theguardian.com/law/201...cial-nominees-trump-withdrew-and-four-pending

    There are obvious implications, on a national scale, if McTurtle's unethical scheme to add another member of the radical Federalist Society to the SC succeeds............again. Among other reversals of progress, more cases involving the restriction of voting rights will prevail. After all, the Voting Rights Act has already been gutted with Justice Roberts claiming measures taken to protect voting rights, originally targeting southern states, are no longer needed. This, despite the national campaign launched by the GOP, now POT, designed to disenfranchise voters from specific demographic groups.

    We are not Americans any more. We are the Hatfields and the McCoys.
     
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    if you haven’t paid your court cost and fine then you haven’t completed your sentence

    it is sad though that the dem party needs to depend on violent felons to win.

    that should tell you all you need about the modern dnc
     
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  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pay attention. That is not the pretense Trump appointees used to deny the enfranchisement of those people in a direct contradiction of what a vast majority of Florida voters support.
     
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    That is 100 percent what they said....they said the felons equal protection rights were not violated with the passage of the law requiring them to complete their entire sentences

    Voters, in FL overwhelmingly passed a law requiring that.....fines and cost are part of a sentence.
     
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    Because the vast majority of criminals would vote Democrat.

    'nuff said.
     
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    Yep. Which is why Clinton wanted felons to vote so badly.
     
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    Criminals of a feather flock together.
     
  8. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Considering Trump's proclivity for consorting with criminals, not to mention his own criminal acts, perhaps you should have given your remark some more thought before posting it.
     
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    Is it Trump that wants to give criminals voting rights?

    Perhaps you should've mulled that one over before you posted your remark.
     
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    You do realize it was the majority of voters in FL who decided felons who served their time deserved to be re-enfranchised, right?

    How embarrassing for you that you apparently didn't.

    "The right to vote is considered one of the most sacred and fundamental tenets of American democracy. Even people convicted of felonies, the most serious crimes in the penal system, are allowed to vote in most states. Convicted felons are even allowed to vote from behind prison bars in some states."
    https://www.thoughtco.com/where-felons-can-and-cannot-vote-3367689
     
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    "Yet it's Dems that want to go againist the will of the people of FL and give felons theeir rights back before the their sentence is complete
     
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    Are you doing your part to heal the differences or do you spend your days posting negatives?
    Healing starts with a few positive posts for people regardless of their political persuasion. ie, the mid-East peace agreement.
     
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    Good point. Not to mention that Republicans in general don't resort to mass riots and destruction when Democrats have it their own way.
     
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    How 'bout we take away voting for anyone who has received a traffic ticket? Where do you draw the line? When someone has paid his debt to society, he should emerge with a clean slate.

    A friend of mine has a felony for selling $10 worth of weed to a cop. Stupid, yes. A felony? Today, selling weed in my state is a multi-million dollar business, yet my friend can't vote. There is definitely something wrong with this system.
     
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    we draw it at felonies. These folks in FL haven’t paid their debt to society. They still owe court cost or fines
     
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    Felony convictions is where the line is drawn.

    I'm calling bullcrap on 10 bucks worth of weed resulting in a felony conviction.

    Citations needed.
     
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    That's how fascist nations are created. Looks like Republicans are tired of us being a Republic and want to change us into ... something else.
     
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    Without an explanation, that's an arbitrary line.

    Possession of a seed was a felony when I moved here in 1978. Nevada. Look it up. And IIRC, sales of any amount was a felony even in California until the mid-nineties.
     
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    If you're all for restoring the Rights of felons then I'm sure you'll support all of their Rights being restored....right? I support it. After all, we don't want second class citizens...right?
     
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    Yep. Voting and firearms.
     
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    Robbing a store with a loaded weapon is a felony. Do you want to restore 2nd amendment rights to one who paid their courts costs?
     
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    Yep. Rights are rights or they're not. If we start picking and choosing who we give them to, or restore them to, then they're not really rights.

    Freedom isn't free. We have to take the bad with the good. Violence is a serious problem, but we're not going to solve it by taking people's rights away.

    Some people actually do change. Some people make mistakes in their youth and grow to become productive law abiding citizens. The level of recidivism is high, but many felons do not become career criminals. And it is only these people, those who have become law abiding citizens, from whom you're taking firearms. Same argument as the one against gun control, one which I agree with.
     
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    Are you a felon? Serious question.
     
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    Your friend willingly broke the law when that was still a crime. There is nothing wrong with the system in that regard, but certainly something wrong with your friend. He shouldn’t have broken the law, plain and simple, and should not have his voting rights reinstated. Tough break for him, but at the same time, to hell with him.
     
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    His friend can petition his governor for a pardon and restore his rights. I highly doubt he got busted for $10 worth of weed and got that sentence though.
     
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