The left will eventually take over America

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  1. quiller

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    See you at the Constitutional Convention.
     
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    Democrat Party chairman Tom Perez said you can not be a good Democrat unless you support abortion. Can you find a similar statement from the GOP?
     
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    That’s not what I asked you. Let me try this again, do you believe only Democrats have abortions? Yes or no?
    And of course Repubs would never make such a statement because many don’t support women having a choice when it comes to their own body.
     
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    No, because Democrats believe women have rights, too....and Republicans don't seem to think women should have the right to bodily autonomy like everyone else....
     
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    On the contrary, women have absolute choice and power when it comes to their own body. We exercise that choice at the point of conception .. unless we're unlucky enough to be raped.

    It's Leftists who think women are incapable of exercising that choice and power.
     
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    Thanks to Roe v Wade
     
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    Yes, that choice and power is exercised at the point of conception, unless she's unlucky enough to be raped.

    Of course .. you may be one of these types who think women incapable of making such important decisions.
     
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    I think women are quite capable of making such an important and hard decision as having an abortion.
     
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    Yet you don't think women are capable of making important decisions when it counts. You feel they must be "accommodated" due to their inability to make those important decisions.

    Then you compound your error by calling abortion a hard decision. How much harder is it than simply saying "not tonight, Dear"? Vastly. That's all the evidence you need to understand that these are not 'unwanted' pregnancies. They are simply buyer's remorse .. and buyer's remorse is always much harder than controlling the initial impulse to buy.

    Functioning adults don't choose the hard thing, when the easy thing is .. well, so much easier. Not unless they're cognitively impaired or have the impulse control of a three year old .. which is what you're suggesting when you imply that pregnancy is unavoidable.
     
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    I never implied pregnancy is unavoidable. You make an awful lot of silly and incorrect assumptions. Seems to be a habit if yours.
    Do you not like people to have personal freedoms at all or just ones you don’t agree with? Here’s some advice...if you’re against abortion then don’t have one. You’re welcome.
     
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    So you acknowledge that pregnancy is avoidable. Good, that's a start. Now you can move on to acknowledging that since it's avoidable, those who don't want a pregnancy would actually avoid it. So obviously, those who don't avoid it are not trying to avoid it. In which case 'convenience' abortions cannot be a result of unwanted pregnancies. They are a result of buyer's remorse. It's very clear logic. You can say whatever you like, but these are the clear implications of what you're saying.
     
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    Are you not aware humans aren’t perfect? Did you know, as a result of humans not being perfect, that the pill, in reality, is 91% effective? That means about 9 out of 100 pill users get pregnant each year.
    So it has nothing to do with, as you say, “not trying to avoid it”. Even people trying to avoid it get pregnant. The reality is not everyone can be perfect like you.

    Contraceptive pill:
    • Perfect use: more than 99% effective. Fewer than 1 in 100 women will get pregnant in a year when using the combined pill correctly.
    • Typical use: around 91% effective. Around 9 in 100 women using the combined pill will get pregnant in a year.
    Condoms:
    • Perfect use: 98% effective. This means that 2 in 100 women whose partners use a condom will get pregnant in a year.
    • Typical use: around 82% effective. This means around 18 in 100 women will get pregnant in a year.
     
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    This is a class issue. The well off can afford a plane ticket, states with highly restricted access to abortion only harms the poor.

    One of a hundred ways the Right savages the poor.
     
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    The last time “the left” took over America was in 1932.

    Out of that, we climbed out of the depression, won a world war, set up a basic social safety network, and insured that the profits of labor would be shared by labor and capital alike.

    It produced what John Kenneth Galbraith called “The Affluent Society”.


    I’ll take the “left”’s record any day.
     
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    This is a hoary old right wing trope.

    There are NO federal standards at all for teaching history or social studies in primary schools in the US.

    Most Americans know only a cartoon version of their own history, and most of them know far less about the world as a whole.

    Most Americans can’t even name their elected representatives.

    Yet, many of these people will enthusiastically embrace the pseudo facism and race baiting of a carnival barker.
     
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    ~ No - it is my opinion .
     
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    And it is a hoary old right wing trope, based on nothing other than a widely held stereotype.

    I’ve been hearing that for fifty years.

    Public education has little to do with it. Americans were just as parochial and ill informed in the late 1950’s.

    And most Americans don’t really care. Although it is easy for the right wing to reflexively blame public education (something conservative have always fought against).

    And the right wing noise machine exploits the general American ignorance of history, the world and government ceaselessly.

    Having an uninformed electorate suits Trump perfectly. And it’s easy when a disc jockey can attack the others guy by blaming public schools for not teaching people how to think the “right” way.

    Appeals to ignorance are also standard features of many right wing movements. It’s at the core of right wing talk radio, and of Trump himself (who declared yesterday that scientists didn’t know anything).

    I doubt that most Americans (and very few Trump supporters) could pass the written portion of the US Citizenship test.

    I know that Trump can’t. Nor does he care.

    His audience doesn’t care either. Which is the true danger.
     
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    I'm not completely sure there isn't an issue with the politicization of public education::
     
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    What do you have Daniel, when you have a Judicial Branch that actually institutes law around the Senate? Un elected Judges putting new laws into effect?
    Since Democrats have not been real successful nationally, to put Socialist Marxists in power, this is their "stealth" strategy. Why else will Biden not name his desired appointees? AOC told us. She doesn't want moderates to abandon the Party. Spring it on the Nation as a surprise.
     
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    What laws has the Court "instituted"?
     
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    I never claimed humans were perfect. Where did I say that?

    I'm pointing out that avoiding pregnancy is easy. If a woman is in a situation where she cannot afford to risk a pregnancy, then potentially fallible contraceptives don't have to be relied upon - she just has to say no to sex. Any argument you have against that is a nonsense obviously, since the logic is very clear.

    You're merely arguing for the right to pretend the woman isn't just indulging a fit of buyer's remorse, while ignoring the elephant in the room (her free choice to engage in pregnancy-making behaviour).
     
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    Why are the poor risking pregnancies they can't afford?
     
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    ~ A lot of the time poor people ain't that responsible. One reason they are poor.
     
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    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
     
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    Yeah, funny about that.
     

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