Are the Europeans the TRUE Israelites?

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So I have just come across an interesting idea: the TRUE descendants of the ancient Israelites are the peoples of Western Europe, and the Jews are all fakers.

    Has anyone come across this idea before? Is there ANY evidence to back up such an idea? or is it merely fantasy?

    From what I understand, every people or culture that has a somewhat legit claim to be descended from the ancient Israelites/Jews, have some cultural practises that link them to the ancient Jews. They dont eat pork or other non-kosher foods. They light candles on Friday night. They circumcise their infant boys. Or they have a longstanding oral tradition of their ancestors migrating from the Middle East, centuries or millenia ago.

    AFAIK, no European people has such practises or oral traditions. Except of course some folks in Spain and Portugal, and they are considered to be descended from Jews who went underground after the 1492 Expulsion and Persecution.

    There also appears to be no genetic evidence linking the vast majority of western Europeans to the Middle East, as most western Europeans are genetic haplotype R1b, while most Middle Eastern folks are J1 or other. There are a few Jews who are R1a (such as myself), but its kinda rare and unique.

    so, any actual evidence would be appreciated. Myths, legends, and baseless nonsense will be rejected and laughed at.
     
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    Oh, man, it has been a long time since I've encountered this. Sounds an awful lot like the British Israelite movement and the more modern Christian Identity movement. I know of no actual evidence, and I've only encountered in among white nationalists.
     
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    i read some evidence years ago, thats very silly.

    the hebrew word for covenant, is "brit".

    the english are "british".

    ifso facto....the British are the israelites!!!!

    plus there are the Hebrides islands. and supposedly the British coronation stone is the bed used by david. even though its really a toilet seat


    LOL!!!! its all very silly and stupid.
     
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    . . . every etymologist in the world suddenly cried out in pain.
     
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    I really don't see were it matters. Isn't being Jewish simply someone who is practicing Judaism. A person of any race can be a Jew. Someone who is from a Jewish family and grew up practicing Judaism and leaves the church and starts practicing Catholicism is now Catholic. Am I missing something.
     
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    well originally the Hebrews/Israelites/Jews were a nation just like any other.

    but then they started taking on lots of converts and even before Jesus were a mixed ethnicity. They were a mixture of Hebrews, Canaanites, Edomites, Philistines, Greeks, Romans, and other local peoples. At one point 10% of the Roman Empire were Jews.

    However, mass conversion to Judaism stopped around the 4th century AD, which is why most Jews today have genetics that resemble various eastern mediteranean peoples.



    but as far as the English being the true descendants of Israel, its simply hogwash.

    there is no historical, oral, genetic or any other evidence to support it.

    its mere envy and fantasy.
     
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    It would seem we agree from what I understand in the post. But just a question is person who converted to Judaism, a Jew? I my mind yes right?
     
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    according to Jewish law, a person who converts to Judaism becomes a full Jew, as if he was descended directly from Abraham.

    converts literally join the nation of Israel, at least in a spiritual sense.

    but of course their ancestry does remain Irish, or Polish, or English, or whatever
     
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    Now on the flip side I have heard that some feel once Jewish always Jewish. Meaning if you grew up in a Jewish family but left the synagogue and joined a different church you are still Jewish. I feel to be a jew you have to be practicing the family. Is that correct? I am curious because my maternal Grandmother was very secretive about her family's past. They left Cook County Illinois and moved to Iowa. When asked about any of the family she said none of your business. My sister has been doing genealogy research and found grandmother's uncle was buried in a Jewish cemetery.
     
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    The Europeans are not the true Israelites, BUT they are more than welcome to follows the 7 Laws of Noah and be in God's favor.

    They can also convert to Judah-ism and become part of the nation of Israel, but its not neccessary.
     
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    Orthodox Jewish scholar and historian Yair Davidiy traces many European nations partly to the lost tribes of Israel but... the Jews of today are largely from the tribes of Judah, Levi and Benjamin.

    https://www.britam.org/
     
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    ridiculous, baseless nonsense.

    most Europeans are genetic haplotype R1a and R1b, while most Middle Eastern people are J1 and J2
     
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    There is a saying that "A film devoid of conflict is boring." (R. W.)

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    LOL

    wow
     
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    Does this video offend you?

    I think that it is kind of brilliant... .but in the line of the writings of Balaam the son of Beor whose sons Janes and Jambres withstood Moses, (according to some ancient traditions).....

     
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    Thank you for the "wow" ... .I feel that I must move quickly........ I began studying information related to all of this back in 1972 when I was thirteen years old.

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    This may help to make my plan more clear and understandable.....


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    I forgot to mention something important.....
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