Is Confederate flag a symbol of hate?

please cite the Article and Section of the US Constitution which states how and when a State may elect to leave the Union.

thanks.

 

human society has evolved.

slavery is wrong, evil, immoral, and the nations of the world have declared it a crime.

 

When forced to choose between states' rights and slavery, the Confederacy chose slavery over states' rights. No other supposed "states' right" rises to the level of their regard for slavery -- the overwhelming majority of their "states' rights" complaints in the first place were about slavery . . . and, again, they chose slavery over states' rights when they wrote their own constitution.

I'm sorry that history stands so firmly against you here . . . in the own words of the people whom you claim to now speak for . . . but no Confederate apologist has every been able to answer such a simple question: If it was about states' rights over slavery, then why did they prioritize slavery over states' rights in their own constitution? Don't worry, I don't actually expect an answer. I've been asking this question for years and no one have ever come close to addressing it.

 

This is your thread. So, you asked:

The 14th Amendment was passed to give blacks a right to vote. Problem is, voting is a privilege. It was available to blacks via the 13th Amendment... IF it were a "right." But, voting is a privilege and even today, states can allow non-citizens to vote while denying the "right" to vote to felons. The 14th Amendment was illegally ratified on a false premise and the court decisions surrounding it rarely, if ever have had ANYTHING to do with black people voting. More likely, that amendment has been used to take unalienable Rights and reduce them to privileges and immunities. A specific example can be found in MacDonald v. Chicago in the United States Supreme Court. According to Wikipedia:

"In his concurring opinion, Justice Thomas criticized the Slaughter-House and Cruikshank decisions,[15] proposing that "the right to keep and bear arms is a privilege of American citizenship that applies to the States through the Fourteenth Amendment's Privileges or Immunities Clause."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._City_of_Chicago

The Second Amendment didn't need the Fourteenth Amendment to be interpreted... except that the Right was reduced to a mere privilege. THAT is the real reason for the 14th Amendment

 

Translation: "I can cite no historical evidence on my own and I can't address the historical evidence others have cited."

 

if that were true, this would have been made very clear in the Constitution.

but its nowhere.

 

And yet it is still practiced AND those condemning it only want the whites in the United States to be held accountable.

 

And yet either unwilling or incapable of responding to historical sources . . . solidifying the point.

 

The United States Supreme Court is charged with interpreting the Constitution. Maybe you missed all those references to the Dred Scott v. Sanford case that you refuse to read:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/60/393

 

I post the evidence; you just choose to deny it and admit to not reading it.

 

Yes, there is evidence, but this topic is about the flag and off topic postings are deleted. Don't ask me to violate the rules again.

 

of course its evil.

all ideas of racial superiority, especially bases on some fairy tale from the bible, is evil.

especially if the ideas are met with intentions to enslave and persecute and commit genocide against others.

 

You've posted nothing that refutes the fact that the Confederacy seceded over slavery, founded a nation primarily over the issue of slavery, and prioritized slavery over states' rights in their own constitution. Nothing. I'm basing everything here on WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY ABOUT THEMSELVES AT THE TIME. You've posted no "evidence" refuting it and you've refused to address these facts.

 

Then I'm not sure why you ever brought it up to begin with, but now that you acknowledge your mistake, how about dropping it and returning to the topic?

 

You were the one who brought it up. Are you willing to move on now?

 

WRONG. Got anything more on the Confederate flag?

 

You. Were. The. One. Who. Brought. It. Up. And, yes. I've mentioned several sources regarding the Confederacy that you are free to actually address any time.

 

No one here has suggest that the first amendment right to wave a flag should be taken away. Why won't you address what people have actually said regarding the topic?

 

its a strawman argument.

folks can wave the nazi flag on their property if they like. or the flag of Imperial Japan.

still shouldn't be used on government property which belongs to all people

 

I have responded to all that is required of any person on every allowable aspect of this subject. If the answer is not here, it is because it was deemed a violation of the rules. So, I cannot and will not discuss it further. My opinion is that you yardmeat and Ronstar are one and the same. So, we are not going anywhere on the Confederate flag issue. I will support the Right of any American to fly that flag at any time and anywhere in America. That flag will be treated the same as any other with no greater status no less status. You have every Right to disagree and I would fight to the death for your Right to express yourself. Now, I realize that you don't think you've "won" until you have the last word, but this thread has gone on for 750 + posts and nothing has changed. So, unable to get you to argue and debate this on a level playing field, it is required of me to allow you the last word so that, in your mind, you've gained some kind of victory (as hollow as it may be). Good Day yardmeat / Ronstar and whatever names you use here.

 

I'm not going to respond to the bait. However:

You have not addressed any Confederate source on the subject. It isn't even my "opinion" we are talking about here. I'm relating to you exactly what the Confederates had to say about themselves at the time. You claim to know better than they do, but provide no evidence of any kind. That's the reason "we are not going anywhere."

No one, anywhere here, has claimed that people don't have a right to fly the flag if the want to. You can fly a Nazi flag if you want to. Why are you trying to change the subject to the "right" to fly the flag? That has nothing to do with the topic.

The victory here is that I've appealed to Confederate sources about what the Confederacy stood for. You've tried to claim that a poll is a better historical source. It isn't. You've claimed to know more about the motives of the Confederates than the Confederates did. You don't. You can't complain about being "unable to get" someone to "argue and debate this on a level playing field" when you are completely unwilling to discuss any and all relevant sources.

 

lets just concede that Confederacy was an evil nation and all flags representing it are equally evil

 

The Cornerstone Speech by the VP of the Confederacy makes it clear as day as to the founding principle of the Confederate States of America:

white supremacy and the inherent inferiority of black people, so ordained by God.

thats all CSA flags are trash and must go

 

Because it would be admitting the obvious?

 

to date i have never met a fan of the Confederate flag who did not also have some very distasteful feelings about blacks, Jews, or other minorities.