Is Confederate flag a symbol of hate?

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Is the Confederate flag a symbol of hate?

  1. Yes.

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    31.5%
  2. No.

    50 vote(s)
    56.2%
  3. Its complicated.

    11 vote(s)
    12.4%
  1. Resistance101

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    EVERYTHING that could have been addressed within the parameters of the rules has been addressed. To suggest otherwise... Give it up. Your poll failed. The Confederate flag is NOT a symbol of hate to the majority of those who fly it.
     
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    LOL!!!!! this poll does not reflect the views of the American people.

    it represents the views of this forum, which is highly outnumbered with Conservatives.
     
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    Not my poll...

    You know, if we weren't in a historic resurgence of racism, you might have a point.

    Kind of, maybe, not really.
     
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    I'm not seeing it. Even Trump supporters are not America first conservatives; they tend to be kosher conservatives so they lack the traits of being motivated by hate.
     
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    It sure isn't a symbol of love and inclusiveness.
     
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    And I always thought it DID exactly that - at least to the satisfaction of a liberal.
     
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    And the Confederates would have agreed. It sure as hell wasn't, after all, what the Confederacy itself stood for, so hard to see how one of its battle flags could, unless we start getting into historical revisionism . . . which is pretty much where this always heads. The whole "lost cause" crowd has done far more to infiltrate southern schools and ACTUALLY erase history than anyone has by taking down a flag or a statue.

    I think it is worth noting that "old Dixie" herself didn't appear as part of the flag of the Confederate States of America until it was displayed on a field of white as the "stainless banner". Here's what the guy who designed said Confederate flag had to say about it at the time:

    "As a people we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause."
     
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    Fear.
     
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    Trump supporters are not motivated by fear. They are emboldened and feel invincible. I'm surprised that more of them aren't flying the Confederate flag in defiance of the extreme liberalism we see.
     
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    actually is is a symbol of love.

    LOVE, of white people!

    LOVE, of white culture and white heritage!

    LOVE, of white supremacy!
     
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    If only it didn't explain things so nicely...

    Or consistently, from the Barbados plantations in the 1600s to now.
     
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    You imply that whites started slavery and this is justification for the banning of the Confederate flag. It's madness. Whites in America did not invent slavery. It was simply the way it was in the world at that time. Holding Americans accountable while not holding blacks that sold their brethren into slavery and holding those slavers responsible shows that what you advocate is a diversionary measure for ulterior motives.
     
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    Didn't say either of those things. If you had gone to college, one of the things they teach in ancient history is that the free time (and money) needed to develop new stuff was largely possible due to slavery.

    I didn't say anything about banning that idiotic flag. I do think putting up statues of traitors, or flying a flag that reveres traitors on government property is a bit outre...

    What is madness is Southern culture, a culture that intensely dislikes public education, has an instinctive revulsion for democracy, and rejects technology as long as they can put people in chains and force them to do the work pretty much for free. You know, like slavery...

    Oh, I almost forget, silly me. The driving, consuming fear slave owners had was that of rebellion. That has been passed on down, and still exists today.
     
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    That culture became what it is was because of slavery. It's all of a piece, and pretending it isn't is as believable as pink unicorns. The Confederate flag celebrates it.

    You know, I've always wondered what would have happened if the South had simply declared independence, and ignored the North.

    Oh well, maybe some day all that education will enable a reply with some substance.

    I can suggest some books..
     
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    Any true Southerner would know the statues and memorials do not celebrate the Confederacy but the men and women who fought and defended their homes, their families, their lands, their businesses, their churches and everything they owned against an invading army hell bent it their total destruction many giving the ultimate sacrifice defending themselves.
     
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    If they wanted to celebrate something other than the Confederacy, they can do so with something other than Confederate symbols. And, as a Southerner, I know of the attempts to rewrite history to try to make the Confederacy look better by sacrificing facts . . . some of which you've pushed yourself. This ain't rocket surgery. But, congrats for resurrecting a post from almost a year ago and a thread that hasn't been touched since September of last year and contributing nothing.
     
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    Symbols are subjective. If you are obstinate to the opinions of others with regard to, meaning because it's a symbol of hate to you it is to everybody else, than I would consider that bigoted.
     
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    I guess, the flag of US Confederacy is a still potent symbol of hate. It is offensive to African Americans and to most people who oppose Racism.

    Most Jews from Russia do not find songs about Counter-Revolutionaries of Russian Civil War offensive. These Counter-Revolutionaries killed about 120,000 Jews in Pogroms. Is it Historic Amnesia?
     
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    Confederate flag is a symbol of Hate and Racism, which is still relevant.

    Symbols and songs of those who were Counter-Revolutionaries of Russian Civil War seem to be historic curiosities. They have also been extremely hateful -- Denikin's armies were guilty of many pogroms. But their ideology was defeated with them.
     
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    They are not the American First of the 30s.

    But CRT appears to be lighting a fire under weak kosher conservatives.

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    Ironically, the Flag of Novorossiya [New Russia] a former Russian breakaway territory of Ukraine was almost exactly like the Confederate battle flag [Southern Cross] except there were no stars. The cross on both the Confederate and Novorossiya's flag is the Cross of St Andrew [St Andrew is the patron saint of Scotland and Russia.]


    Flag of Novorossiya [New Russia]

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    Who died and made you a spokesmen for all "african" Americans? I personally know several who have no issue with it. Slavery was legal under that flag for what? Less than 6 years? Legal under Old Glory for SEVENTY SEVEN YEARS
     
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    The only "blacks" I love are the Black Hundreds !!


    I have two original 1860s books filled with Confederate war poetry -
    poems written by Southerners during and right after the civil war.


    Confederate Poem:

    God and Liberty!

    In the name of God! Amen!
    Stand for our Southern rights;
    On your side Southern men,
    The God of battles fights!
    Fling the invader far—
    Hurl back their work of woe—
    The voice is the voice of a brother,
    But the hands are the hands of a foe.
    They come with a trampling army,
    Invading our native sod—
    Stand Southrons, fight and conquer!
    In the name of the mighty God!

    They are singing our song of triumph,
    Which was made to make us free,
    While they are breaking away the heart-strings
    Of our nation’s harmony.
    Sadly it floateth from us,
    Sighing o’er land and wave,
    ’Till mute on the lips of the poet;
    It sleeps in his Southern grave.
    Spirit and song! departed!
    Minstrel and minstrelsy!
    We mourn thee heavy hearted!
    But we will, we shall be free!

    They are waving our flag above us,
    With the despot’s tyrant will,
    With our blood they have stained its colors,
    And call it holy still.
    With tearful eyes, but steady hand,
    We’ll tear its stripes apart,
    And fling them like broken fetters,
    That may not bind the heart—
    But we’ll save our stars of glory,
    In the might of the sacred sign
    Of Him! who has fixed forever
    Our “Southren Cross” to shine.


    Stand Southrons, fight and conquer!
    Solemn and strong and sure!
    The fight shall not be longer
    Than God shall bid endure.
    By the life that only yesterday
    Waked with the infant’s breath!
    By the feet which e’er the morn may
    Tread to the solider’s death!
    By the blood which cries to heaven!
    Crimpson upon our sod!
    Stand Southrons, fight and conquer
    In the name of the mighty God!

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    So many confuse the Confederate flag:

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    with the Virginia Battle Flag

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    As for whether it is racist or not? That is a personal opinion. Personal I view the first flag above to be racist. While the flag on the bottom is a flag of rebelling against unjust authority as per the old Dukes of Hazard and is not racist. But that is just my opinion. Others are free to hold their own opinions. The problem lies in others trying to force their opinions onto others.
     
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    1) I can not speak for anyone other then myself. I read that almost all African Americans and most anti-racists view Confederate Flag as a symbol of Hate. Sadly, White Supremacist ideology still exists and lives in USA.

    2) To my shame I have been one of the Jews who listen to modern artists performing music of Counter-Revolutionaries of Russian Civil War. Their hatred which resulted in Pogroms with 120,000 fatalities is a part of ideology which no longer exists.

    3) Thank G-d, during WWII, Communist Russia saved Humankind from Nazis.
     
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