If the Supreme Court Ends Obamacare, Here’s What It Would Mean

It would mean people might have to put down the fork, get off the couch, and take care of themselves. It is not sustainable, so it is just a matter of time until it gets squashed.

 

I don't have to believe it, I can back it up. But why waste such efforts on someone like you?

 

That's the simpleton mentality of the right, that everyone who isn't affluent are therefore 'lazy bums'.

The vast majority of them are working 2 and 3 jobs just to make ends meet. The mentality of the right is pathetic.

 

No they arent. Right now thanks the left's insistence on locking every think down there aren't two or three jobs to be had.

 

Yeah I'm sure all sorts of leftist dill weeds and assorted swamp critters, will support your view but they are the problem not the solution.

 

All you can do, garyd, is give me incompetent rebuttals.vacuous responses.

Up your game, please. .

 

Sorry I need more to work with than what I'm getting.

 

you are not making sense. Spit it out, man.

What are you saying?

 

Read the OP, it's quite robust. Obviously, you do not think what you write, through, given your horrid syntax, misspellings, etc.

 

I'm saying that Democrats are continuing covid lock downs that are no longer productive, assuming they ever were, And those lock downs are making it hard to find one job let alone 2 or 3. If you have three jobs you are making in aggregate middle class money and can afford insurance.

 

Not everyone who can see the results your party is known for is on the right. The majority of illness is self inflicted. Results speak for themselves. Can you make a case that Americans are healthier as a result of Obamacare?

 

ACA gave health care to 18 million people who didn't have it previously, of whom one of those persons was myself.

Before the ACA, I suffered from migraines and cluster headaches ( which later become chronic) and one day in 2007 I was in so much pain that I visited and ER at USCD hospital, and all they did was give me a motrin prescription, which did not work.

I continued to suffer from migraines. When the ACA came, my headaches were becoming like, every day, and I was becoming disabled, so I signed up and my doctor, and older, much more experienced fellow than the intern who saw me at the ER, tried out three drugs, and the one that worked as sumatriptan.

ON top of this, there was only one person in the waiting room before the doctor's nurse took me in. The copay was $10.

IN the ER, I waited three hours behind a hundred people.they didn't cure my migraine, and I was billed $4000 and I had trouble paying it and my credit was ruined. The 'doctor' was an intern. He was supervised, but the older guy poked his head in, once, during the entire time was in the ER, and left before I could say anything.

Just the reduction in stress of having health care now, and not having to rely on ER medicine and interns and go bankrupt, having my credit ruined, that alone has improved my blood pressure and health.

I understand that many illnesses are due to diet, but still, having health care is better than not having it. It's also cheaper to society, as a whole, by having it.

Health dare dollars will be spent, but channeling those dollars into a more efficient system saves society money, overall. Medicare for all will do just that. Taxes are up, but it's offset by no premiums, which are more than the taxes. I support medicare for all, as an 'option' and let it compete.

 

I am happy to hear your positive results and hope you enjoy good health many years to come. Americans are fatter and sicker than ever and record use of pharm products has allowed the problem to get out of hand. The majority of our illness is self inflicted masking symptoms only allows the illness to worsen.

Remember the fat kid when you went to school? Look at how many fat children there are now? Diabetes was never a childhood disease.

Until we stop subsidizing the foods that are making people sick, and stop masking symptoms so that the bad habits can continue, American health will continue to get worse.

Since we are sharing stories, I went to the doctor for sinus pain I have been suffering with since I was a kid. I was put on meds that almost killed me and left me with liver damage that took 10+ years to heal. When I went on the liver cleansing diet, I eliminated dairy products and my sinus issues disappeared. My acid reflux went away and I lost 20 lbs.

 

So it's been said and never done from the time it was conceived

 

Yup the year the "Must HAVE/BUY" mandate was killed the ACA started it's slow decline to the grave..

 

Prolly should have started young

 

The OP is ridiculous.

Obamacare is just a single step of a 100+ year long march of government oligopolistic interference that had made health insurance, pharmaceutical and healthcare less attainable.

• 1910, the physician oligopoly was started during the Republican administration of William Taft after the American Medical Association lobbied the states to strengthen the regulation of medical licensure and allow their state AMA offices to oversee the closure or merger of nearly half of medical schools and also the reduction of class sizes. The states have been subsidizing the education of the number of doctors recommended by the AMA.
• In 1925, prescription drug monopolies begun after the federal government led by Republican President Calvin Coolidge started allowing the patenting of drugs. (Drug monopolies have also been promoted by government research and development subsidies targeted to favored pharmaceutical companies.)
• In 1945, buyer monopolization begun after the McCarran-Ferguson Act led by the Roosevelt Administration exempted the business of medical insurance from most federal regulation, including antitrust laws. (States have also more recently contributed to the monopolization by requiring health care plans to meet standards for coverage.)
• In 1946, institutional provider monopolization begun after favored hospitals received federal subsidies (matching grants and loans) provided under the Hospital Survey and Construction Act passed during the Truman Administration. (States have also been exempting non-profit hospitals from antitrust laws.)
• In 1951, employers started to become the dominant third-party insurance buyer during the Truman Administration after the Internal Revenue Service declared group premiums tax-deductible.
• In 1965, nationalization was started with a government buyer monopoly after the Johnson Administration led passage of Medicare and Medicaid which provided health insurance for the elderly and poor, respectively.
• In 1972, institutional provider monopolization was strengthened after the Nixon Administration started restricting the supply of hospitals by requiring federal certificate-of-need for the construction of medical facilities.
• In 1974, buyer monopolization was strengthened during the Nixon Administration after the Employee Retirement Income Security Act exempted employee health benefit plans offered by large employers (e.g., HMOs) from state regulations and lawsuits (e.g., brought by people denied coverage).
• In 1984, prescription drug monopolies were strengthened during the Reagan Administration after the Drug Price Competition and Patent Term Restoration Act permitted the extension of patents beyond 20 years. (The government has also allowed pharmaceuticals companies to bribe physicians to prescribe more expensive drugs.)
• In 2003, prescription drug monopolies were strengthened during the Bush Administration after the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act provided subsidies to the elderly for drugs.
• In 2014, nationalization will be strengthened after the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010 (“Obamacare”) provided mandates, subsidies and insurance exchanges, and the expansion of Medicaid.

The last stage will be single payer government controlled insurance, which simply put only contribute to the downfall of the economy and will be another control input into the lives of common, everyday people. It is violent and abhorrent.

The proper course of action would be to undo the string of regulations listed above.

Repeal Obamacare. That is the first step.

 

LIES
Not one Republican anywhere has even remotely suggested that pre existing conditions would not be covered, not one, not ever. so that is lie number one.

Here are some truths, It is not the pre ex that is killing insurance companies and driving up rates by 300% it is the onerous reporting requirements, the idiotic premium rating requirements, it is the stupid mandated benefits, do you know that women pay a premium for prostate exams, men pay for possible pregnancy on themselves. I could go on and on, but we would still cover pre ex and insurance companies would be allowed to compete again and overnight your premiums go down 45%.

Thank you very much.

I also read your list, I was laughing pretty hard at that indeed. I will get to that later. I have to go feed some of my slaves in the basement, you know we all have them right?

 

And what ACA did was pack even more people into the awaiting room...

 

I said getting insurance through your employer, as a middle man, prevents consumer choice. I didn't say ACA prevents consumer choice.

I'd rather see a voucher system where 'everyone' who is a legal resident of USA receives the same benefit. It would be a lot simpler and would benefit more people. ACA helped some uninsured but didn't fix the increasing costs for the middle class.

 

You mean whining complaints from far left clowns whose understanding of medical care can be summed up in one brief phrase, "It costs to much." While failing to understand that government is the primary reason it costs too much.
Why any one thinks that Democrat politicians, most of whom have never built anything in their lives, at least not since they outgrew leggos, should be allowed to micro manage medicine is beyond me. Given previous history, there are three things you can guarantee of any thing built by Democrat politicians, it won't work, it'll cost way too much, and those same politicians will blame some one else for the mess they made of everything.

 

Trump wants to dismantle everything Obama did. He does not want Obama to have any kind of legacy.
I don't know if it's Trump's jealousy or his racism that makes him feel this way.
Very sad.

 

That is only part of the Obamacare financing regimen though. The part you did not mention that upset a lot of people, is that added costs were not being paid for by the government. They were being paid for by very high premium increases on those insured not getting a subsidy.

 

Insurance companies have been advertising to individual citizens like you and me for decades....thing is, it's more economical for people to get it through their employer than add another budget expense. Right now, you can contact any insurance company and talk to an agent about what part of your earnings can you devote to them.

The ACA dealt with the reality of the vast majority of the American taxpayer. It wasn't/isn't perfect, but the GOP abides by it's campaign donors, and will fight against any change in favor of the people instead of the corporate profit margin.

 

What?! How is it economical? And why should working Americans be punished by having no choice in their healthcare while others get more options with the help of the government?