The Trump campaign is reportedly 'discussing contingency plans to bypass election results'

The Trump campaign is reportedly 'discussing contingency plans to bypass election results'

https://theweek.com/speedreads/9391...ing-contingency-plans-bypass-election-results

OK, I'm addressing conservatives and Republican voters here. I'm an independent and I've voted for both Democrats and Republicans over the years including this time. My state was the first one to deliver mail-in ballots and I've returned mine and it is a mixed one: for certain offices I voted Democrat and for certain others I voted Republican. So please don't shut down what I'm saying as partisan talk. I have no party.

And please don't knee-jerk dismiss the above as fake news or lame stream media if you don't like The Week. I invite you to do an exercise here. Regardless of the messenger, let's suppose (even if it's just for the sake of the argument) that the above is true.

How would you react if the above happens?

How would you justify it if a president (even if you love him, even if you have or will vote for him, even if you think he is right for America, even if you are the most right-wing conservative and the most passionate Republican) here in these United States of America (not in some South American banana republic or some African dictatorship), lost the election but frontally defied the results and managed to stay in office by corrupting the results, claiming non-existing fraud, and being helped by Republican governors and State legislatures, in stealing the election by selecting a slate of Electoral College electors that did not reflect the will of the people in that state?

Regardless of how bad you think Democrats are, regardless of all the reasons you have to loathe them and to think that they will destroy America and what not... would you actually support a president losing an election but stealing it by spurious means, right here in the United States???

How would you feel if a Democrat president did that? Would you find it just peachy?

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Regardless of our political opinions, regardless of who we will vote for, we Americans can't permit such a thing. This would be the end of our system of a democratic republic. This would be plain old dictatorship like totalitarian leaders around the world do, when they falsify electoral results and stay in power even when they lose elections.

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I do hope that Donald Trump won't do this, but the signs are not encouraging. My question is, if he does it, will you support him? Yes or no?

Me, it's a no. What about you?

Again, I'm not interested right now, here in this thread, in whether or not above is true or made up by left-wing media, so please let's not go there. What I'm asking is, IF TRUE, WOULD YOU SUPPORT IT?

 

Trump will do it, and no, of course I for one would never support it. I'd sooner exercise my 2nd Amendment right and march on the White House than allow him to cheat and steal the election.

 

I seem to remember at least one thread around here from a Trump supporter claiming that we shouldn't even bother with letting people vote for president anymore and just let each state government decide how their electors should vote regardless of voting. That was well before the story came out. As for the truth of it, I'll wait until other sources are able to verify. Don't be surprised if we start seeing arguments go from "Trump would never suggest anything like that!" to "Well, maybe he has a point" over the course of a couple of days.

 

Sorry to do exactly what you asked so nicely for me not to do, but to judge a hypothetical like this and take it seriously is no different than havng a serious discussion because the Atlantic is saying he will set fire breathing dragons loose or alien space bats.

We still have 40 more days, and the crap is getting pretty thick out there, everyone needs to take a deep breath.

I'm about a hair away from closing the forum until the election, or at least the debate.

 

Quite so. 2016 was a real circus as well, wasn't it?

 

Seems like Bernie Sanders is very worried and issuing warnings and a call for action. I hate Bernie Sanders, and I've posted here a number of times putting him down. I do not like extremists, be they extreme left or extreme right. But in this, I think that old Bernie is correct:

https://news.yahoo.com/bernie-sanders-sounds-alarm-trump-120810706.html

 

I'm Independent and you can say whatever in the hell you want to say about Republicans....but when it comes to class and integrity, they have 10000000000% more than Democrats. Lefties are the ones that keep bringing up this crap about not leaving office because they are thinking that's what they'd do so it's just their guilty conscious talking.

 

I see your point about a hypothetical, but look, this guy is on record saying so, not an anonymous source; how do you explain it?

"Lawrence Tabas, chair of the Pennsylvania Republican Party, also told The Atlantic he has discussed the direct appointment of electors with the Trump campaign, saying, "I've mentioned it to them, and I hope they're thinking about it too."

The guy is the freaking Chair of the Pennsylvania Republican Party and he is openly saying it. This is factual as the magazine would be immediately sued if they quoted him nominally and he hadn't said it. They must have him on tape, on record, saying it, otherwise they would have said "an anonymous source." So now, what? Do you still think it's far-fetched like fire-breathing dragons and alien space bats???

 

Well, this time it's a Republican saying it, the freaking Chair of the Pennsylvania Republican Party. Have you actually read the article I linked to?

Anyway, I ask again (nicely), IF true, would you support it? That's what I'm interested in learning, if people who are very Republican, very anti-Democrats, would support Trump if he did something like this. Yes or no?

 

It'd help if Trump hadn't already said that he can only lose if there is fraud and when he can't even say that he would agree to a peaceful transition of power. Ultimately, I think he will, but no one is feeding this more than Trump is. Plenty of Republicans have class and integrity. Trump has neither.

 

No, 2016 was a clean victory by Trump. But what I'm concerned about is his desire to STAY in power. At the time he didn't even believe he'd win. He won, fair and square. But now if he loses, and tries to pull off the above, it's a totally different matter.

 

Still, I'd want an answer from you, please. IF true, would you support it? Yes or no?

 

Is your OP only addressing that Biden already won? That's what it smells like. Let me add something, Trump won in 2016 by divine intervention. I doubt all the cheating on the left can overcome the same intervention. How you like me now?

 

Not really for me, I watched the results, said wow, then went to bed and then work the next morning. My candidate lost, but I was expecting it.

 

No, where did I imply that Biden has already won? I have no problem whatsoever with Trump if he wins fair and square like he did in 2016. I used IF several times in my OP, so why are you assuming that it's a done deal for me?

My question is not if Biden will win or Trump will win. Both outcomes are possible. I personally think it's more likely that Trump will win, for various reasons (I think the Dems are shooting themselves in the foot with the "Defund the Police" nonsense and will alienate the suburbs with all the anarchy going on right now with these protests).

My question is, IF Trump loses, and IF Trump tries to stay in power by stealing the election and changing the Electoral College result by tampering with the delegations, will you support him?

 

Thought here: what if this only came up as a roleplaying "war game" scenario in the campaign? Those things can get crazy, and they aren't really true "contingency plans." Sorry, getting into the plausibility here.

 

I find it plausible because of a number of things:
1) Trump repeatedly questioning IN ADVANCE and with no basis in reality whatsoever, the legitimacy of the electoral results. Why is he doing that?
2) Jared Kushner reportedly telling him that they aren't doing well and if they lose they will be in trouble, likely facing indictments
3) The Supreme Court ruling that the SDNY can subpoena stuff and their apparent willingness to indict Trump on tax fraud
I believe that Trump may be trying to keep his presidential immunity at all cost
Besides, this is not from an anonymous source; the magazine named a Republican saying so, the chair of the Pennsylvania Republican Party.
Still, whatever. Again, my question is not if this is true or made up. My question is, if true, if it happens, if Trump loses and then steals the election, would you support him?

 

He is reported to be working with some of Pa's right wing state legislature to pack our Electoral college voters with Dirty Donald loving electors and the legislature will be working to change the results of our election to favor him, regardless of how the state wide vote goes.

 

Personally, I would question whether someone who had a campaign chairman sharing polling data with Russian intellligence and a friend with inside knowledge of upcoming WikiLeaks dumps designed to harm the Democrats really won "fair and square."

 

There was a lot of nonsense going around in that election cycle as well, though. Lots of hype, lots of strong feelings. Vows to march on Washington if Hillary won..

 

All good points. I don't support him as it is, and I certainly wouldn't support this kind of move. I'm not sure what I would do, or what I could do, if it came to that. But I'd probably start drifting away from my third party ways if things got that dire, I'll say that much.

 

This is horrible.

 

I guess what I'm calling fair and square is that voters did vote him in, in enough states to guarantee an Electoral College victory. I don't think there was election fraud in 2016. How the voters got convinced to support him is another matter and was multi-factorial including Russian trolls in social media and Wikileaks efforts to destabilize the Clinton campaign. But whatever they did, did work for voters and voters did vote for him.

The method of winning the elections suggested by the article I posted and by post #18 above are a whole different order of magnitude of electoral corruption.

 

I prefer the split electorate systems like Nebraska and Maine. I don't know if the republicans are talking about going to that system if they lose but I don't like how my electorate votes with the state instead of representing the people he represents.

I'm not a fan of how the left and right mess with the system just to get votes or increase their political power. Its disappointing if the president is engaging in this as well.

 

You don't consider Donna Brazile giving Hillary Clinton the debate questions prior to the debate to be fraudulent behavior?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...king-cnn-debate-questions-to-hillary-clinton/