Australia Pushes New Measure to Detain Conspiracy Theorists

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  1. Monash

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    Didn't think you were criticizing. And the 6 month sentence was overturned on appeal as being to severe. She was released with time served.
     
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    I cannot find the exact state institution in charge of settling what is a conspiracy theory. I expected being the Ministry of Truth.
    The article suggests it's only limited to conspiracies involving the Covid theme.
    The details of how the law might be implemented are intriguing for me.
     
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  3. Monash

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    The whole point is - there was and is no such law!

    The entire thing is an alarmist misinformation designed to generate clicks.
     
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    Seems like, but the article never mentions being a law, is just about to be presented to the Parliament to be decided.
    Its not really related to freedom of speech as I first imagined but about clearence in handling people refusing to go along gov issued Covid stance.

    The same thing happened in my area, fines were handed to those not committed to the gov stance, but soon the fines were dropped due to the constitution. The state had to use other means to actually enforce its stance on the pandemic.

    Going through the democratic process instead of resorting to abuse is the way to go in handling the situation.
    Good for Australia. Very few cases and nonetheless new legislation specific for the crisis.

    It could have been worse. Bailouts with a single sign of paper by just one guy.
     
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    The only reference to legislation I can find is a proposal from one State (Victoria) that people suspected of being at risk of spreading a contagious disease should be forced into State imposed quarantine if they refuse to do so voluntarily. And it applies to everyone so it has nothing to do with specifically punishing or targeting conspiracy theorists. Although they would be 'captured' under the proposed law if they were found to be at risk of spreading an infection - just like anyone else. So what do they expect? a special exemption for the conspiratorially deluded?

    In other words they will still be completely free to believe in (and spread) their idiotic pet theories as much as they want. Just so long as they aren't at risk of being infectious because for instance they attended a place, or consumed a product etc linked to a disease outbreak or otherwise violate specific public health measures designed the curb the spread of a disease.

    If it was only their health at risk no one would give a dam, hell they'd be doing the country a favor by volunteering for a Darwin Award!. The thing is unlike say emergency evacuation orders issued by the State in the face of fire or hurricane etc where the decision to go or stay ultimately only effects the person concerned (apart from immediate family forced to stay with them of course) people breaching quarantine can actually kill other members of their community by deciding to ignore warnings. Their selfishness CAN kill or hurt others.

    Quarantine was one of the first and most effective public health measures ever invented by modern society (that and public sewerage systems). And it was and is still used because if done right it is highly effective in controlling the spread of disease. But it has to be done right and that means the cooperation by the public - for mutual benefit. But you always have that 1% (not all of them conspiracy theorists) who think that for whatever reason a certain public restriction, even a temporary one doesn't apply to them. No, their 'special'.
     
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    We should do the same thing here.
     
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    Why did you leave the word "COVID" out of your headline? It's in the headline at your link.

    Also, the original source of this fake news story is ****ing Zero Hedge. :/

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/australia-push-new-measure-detain-conspiracy-theorists
     
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    So which part is the law acting against? The refusal to isolate? Or being a conspiracy theorist? Two entirely different propositions there.

    If someone is refusing to isolate, that's ALL that matters. What they think about in their spare time is utterly irrelevant.
     
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    As we should. There are always going to be a few people who think the rules don't apply to them, and they can be your undoing.
     
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    Yes, and yes.
     
  11. Monash

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    As per my previous post its a proposed public health law which says nothing about conspiracy theorists and their 'beliefs'. Even if it does become law, which is an open question at the moment it won't impact on those idiots anymore than it will all other sections of the community.

    As has been noted a couple of times the 'original news article' quoted in the original post is deliberately misleading & comes from zero credibility website. Something Jet still hasn't acknowledged.
     
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    I agree, but also suggest that conspiracy theorists, particularly those that incite others were the flavour of that conversation. Intentional disruption for a political agenda seems to carry stiffer penalties than forgetfullness or inconsideration
     
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    Dailyemailinboxing dot com??? Really??? When I clicked on the author it took me to zerohedge one of the internet’s favourite raving lunatic conspiracy theory sites
     
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    It also has a very very vulnerable population. I pray this thing does not get into our indigenous communities
     
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    Sorry no pity

    I work with our indigenous and the death rate without Covid is heartbreaking
     
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    It's fascinating to watch the various police states flourish around the world. The creatures of Davos have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams! Liberty dies to thunderous applause. The meek may not inherit the earth, but they will happily wear masks and stay home, as instructed.
     
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    Have you even bothered to read any of the posts in this thread? None of the allegations made in the original post are true! So may I politely suggest you take your meds. Because if you do maybe, just maybe the fantasy world you apparently 'live' in will disappear and reality will prevail.
     
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    I've read many of the posts in this thread. That is what inspired my reply. With your post, you have confirmed my suspicions, and I thank you for it.
     
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    Many of the posts? as in the ones that validate your prejudices?

    For Gods Sake El read the following;

    1) There is no 'law' as described in the original post - this is fact. Don't believe me? Then do the research yourself - it just simply doesn't exist;

    2) The proposed law, even if it is passed by the State Parliament concerned (which is an open question at the moment, it may not be) doesn't target believers in conspiracy theories - not at all. It suggests ANYONE who breaches voluntary quarantine measures can be forced into quarantine by the State concerned if they are potentially infected by a contagious disease as a result of attending a location where the disease was present or otherwise potentially expose themselves to that disease.

    3) The original article was fraudulent. Again there is no law. The article deliberately lied.
     
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    And as expected no reply. Confront them with cold hard facts and they disappear back into their own little 'conspiracy bubble'. Safe from big bad reality and all those cruel 'facts' that threaten their delusions.
     
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    Doesn't exist? This is the referenced law.
    https://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/bills/covid-19-omnibus-emergency-measures-bill-2020

    Another commentary that is interesting and shows how the police operate down under.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...orians-arrested-street-new-draconian-law.html
     
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    Hark that lark!

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    Unless people were warned this was going to happen to them, it seems to me too much. In Scotland the woman who arranged what the lockdown restrictions would be and who told the public what they could do and made clear they could not go to second homes, went to hers twice before the demand for her resignation came. In London Dominic Cummings who has been seen as the secret hand behind Johnson, went totally against the lockdown rules going here and there. When this was made public he claimed that the rules were there but it had been thought people would make their own decisions as to what was best when this was family. Johnson refused to sack him though I have noticed that his face is not seen very often now and he is rarely talked about.

    One of our Top Covid scientists broke lockdown to visit the girlfriend. He had to resign as well. They'd all be in jail in Australia.

    What she did was wrong but people are human. It may be that her boyfriend didn't have a job and would not have been going anywhere where he could spread it. People just do not think or imagine that they will get away with it. Of course if this is everybody then it becomes a serious problem so I can understand you not wanting one person doing it but I think it is only fair if people are going to give sentences of 6 months to people breaking self isolation that they make it crystal clear to them before they do it like Johnson is doing of his fines of £1,000 and £10,000. . Perhaps you did and then she got what she was told she would get.

    I am sorry to hear about Australia's aborigines. I guess that is like black people everywhere. Hopefully your Government has set up something to keep them as safe as possible though thankfully you have very few cases. Is that because this girl's 6 months is a symptom of the draconian measures I have heard you have had over covid? ;)
     
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    Jet, once again as noted several times before the law doesn't exist. It's been proposed and may or may not pass as it requires additional support in the upper house to pass. Also contrary to the original article it doesn't specifically target conspiracy theorists which was the whole point of the alleged 'story'.
     
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    How could the person quoted, know that a rule breaker subscribes to conspiracy theories? And how could they know it was that which motivated them to break rules? It's all very thought-policy and vague and weird.

    I hate poorly defined nascent laws (and actual laws!).
     
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