Grand Jury Charges 1 in Breonna Taylor Case

What would you have the police do if they are executing a legal warrant, if they announce themselves and when they enter the residence someone starts shooting at them?

 

That assessment of your last line is the sentiment of many of the posters here, so far, including mine & Eretria's, the two immediately preceding yours. The original Yahoo story wasn't great, so w/in the thread I gave a much better NY Times link--

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.amp.htm

-- as well as one to the twitter acct. of NY Times reporter Rukmini Callimachi who's been covering this story & was on-site today helping to clear up some of the murky details--

https://mobile.twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/1308822344006238208

-- for, as poster hawgsalot said early on, "a lot of what we heard about this was false information." I'd been misinformed, for instance, by numerous television reports that Miss Taylor died in her bed, when actually she had risen from the noise & was standing in the apt.'s hallway when an exchange of gunfire broke out because the police had at that point broken in & the boyfriend, thinking it was an intruder, fired first at them. Miss Taylor was standing beside her boyfriend at the time. This is one area where there's been a differing of opinion amongst posters as to whether the BF was genuinely defending the home from what he took to be intruders or knew it was police & had been waiting for them, for whatever reason.

Another point on which there have been varying, conflicting reports is that of the warrant. According to the NY Times, "While the department had received court approval for a 'no-knock' entry, the orders were changed before the raid to 'knock and announce,' meaning that the police had to identify themselves."

This lead to another disputed issue. While the Kentucky AG stated that the police had announced themselves & that one of the neighbors had confirmed hearing them, the Times reporter, Ms. Callimachi, had spoken to the very same police instructor, now retired, who had trained the officers in question at the Police Academy, & quoted him as saying that, "if a knock-warrant is properly done, the entire apartment complex hears,"their shouting of, "POLICE!" The NY Times team has spoken to 12 different neighbors &, thus far, has only found the one that heard the police announce themselves.

Another spot which needed clearing up is that many understood that the police were after Breonna Taylor's CURRENT boyfriend. This is not true. The police had been investigating her FORMER BF, & were unaware they they were no longer together.

The only other major point of contention I've noticed is over the police not making any attempt to aid Miss Taylor after shooting her. One of the posters has given a number of reasons this should not be held against the police, from the fact that one of their own was injured (as well as the BF) to his claim that the autopsy report given to the Grand Jury states that Miss Taylor would have died from her
injuries in two minutes.

Now you're all caught up.

 

Killing innocent people far too often is a good reason to get back to the old ways of warrants and searches.

The way you enter a home is important. Busting your way in is just asking for violence and gun shots. That we would normalize this mode is beyond careless and stupid. And over selling drugs? Wtf?

 

They've been hunkered down awhile. I spoke with a lawyer there maybe 6 weeks ago regarding a weird property case in which he is getting pulled in my state and not his and he said they most businesses were boarded up then to try to mitigate damage/riots.

 

Just a quick update. For those who hadn't heard, 2 Louisville police officers were shot earlier this evening. Both are now in the hospital in stable condition after suffering non life-threatening wounds. One suspect is currently in custody. That's all the information police are releasing at this time.

Also, since I just did an overview of the 1st 5 pgs of posts (post #179), I want to include a link that was kindly supplied by Professor Peabody, at the top of pg 2 of this thread, for Louisville's local paper, the Courier-Journal:

https://www.courier-journal.com/sto...-taylor-fact-check-7-rumors-wrong/5326938002/

 

Hopefully there is a quick recovery for the officers, and the suspect spends the rest of his life in prison, or atleast most of it.

 

Good luck with that.

 

Ms Taylor was a victim of the armed war on drugs, not racism. When armed men are sent to and enter what they expect to be a dangerous area and receive fire, of course they shoot back. Mistakes may have been made in putting them where they were, but one thing we could not expect is that they would not return fire. Maybe it was the wrong address, maybe drugs should be dealt with differently, maybe police need different training, maybe many things. Definitely, the racism implications have no part here.

 

Not when they knocked and announced as the witness stated.

https://thepostmillennial.com/kentucky-attorney-general-on-breonna-taylor-case-police-knocked-first

 

Nah . . . because by then the election will be over and the DNC won't block and cover or spin for THEIR rioters any more. ALL of this stuff -- every last bit of it -- is STRICTLY political in nature.

 

This was a warrant and announced so this was the old way. Not sure what you're saying here.

 

Exactly. Even my local news channel simply portrayed the story as the narrative that entirely ignored that Taylor was at best housing a drug operation within her apartment, and that police did announce their arrival and were shot at from within the home. There is no basis then, and there are independent fact witnesses to the veracity of that fact. The narrative of the MSM has been a lie. One that it seems media aren't actually willing to correct. I think the reason is obvious. It drives the chaos that they love to portray and looks so awesome having breathless reporting from. How utterly immoral is that? The facts, once again, undercut the BS narrative that these media outlets have curated here. There wan't an attack on black folk because of their race, and the law isn't ignoring the rights of them. This baseless, destructive path must be ended.

 

No, one person said they heard.....the rest did not.

 

What part of my post didn't you understand? His testimony was he didn't know it was the police.
Can you give me any....ANY.....examples of when the police were wrong? I can....this is one.

 

And what is your proof that I am other than the "I know you are but what am I" defense. My proof is in the article Prof. Peabody linked to

 

So in the same AG report the man said he didn't know it was the police.....so what was proven......other than she's still dead.

 

Several people said thhey did.

 

Immoral? More like incitement to violence. I would love to see criminal charges filed against every MSM oulet who spread lies and refused tocorrect. The mendacity of the MSM is getting people killed and businesses looted I am baffled that they have not been prosecuted and that nobody is even talking about prosecuting them.

 

Nothing it's tragic she is dead. It's tragic she was assocaited with the drug trade that lead to this.

Wasn't he asleep and simply missed hearing the knocking and the anouncment? I don't know, is he lying to cover for the fact he opened fire first? I dont' know....but you are right, her death is tragic.

 

I think the narrative is the thing in question here. The narrative that falsely assumed this was a "no knock", that it was executed because of the race of the inhabitants of the residence, and that police were hot to shoot up the place. It turns out that none of these assertions of the narrative have been correct.

Why would the man shoot through the door? Clearly, he heard the knock, and the identification of the knock as having come from the police. There are witnesses that the grand jury heard from that testified to that fact. So, having knocked, and having identified as police, the facts indicate that someone from within the residence shot and wounded one of the police officers. That folks within the residence including ms Taylor failed to follow the instructions then of the police who had been shot at, and the result was the death of ms Taylor. Is the grand jury wrong in your estimation? I find that their indictments found for what could be considered criminal. The rest is hyperbole in the narrative. It just doesn't make sense then that what happened last night where two additional police were shot and injured resulted from the findings of this investigation.

What does make sense is that irrespective of the actual facts, the narrative crafted by the BLM/ANTIFA folk, and then spread by MSM has inflamed a mob that took matters into their own hands based on a now demonstrably false narrative. What is tragic is that any excuse seems to be justification for the attack on police that happened last night.

 

Wrong wrong and wrong

 

No reason to think that. There are records that the Police had applied for and got a warrant with no knock provision. The police claim that they announced themselves anyway but attorneys also say neighbours say they did not hear the police announcing themselves. Walker claims to have been terrified, to have believed it was god knows who coming to get them and fired one shot. The charges against Walker have been dropped. Do you really believe that would be true if the police believed his intent was to kill or had not bought his argument that he had reason to be scared and shot to try and deter whoever was breaking in.

 

So, your defense is what? You still don't want to listen to the output of the grand jury? There have been clarifications to the narrative including about the officers both knocking and self identifying prior to the first shot, from inside the house happening. The evidence is actually there, why not read it, or otherwise become aware of it? I assume that the charges against the man who shot the cop (Walker) were dropped because of local pressure to do so, not because the local prosecutor didn't have sufficient evidence to charge him.

 

Why on earth should I have a defense and what on earth should I have one for. I simply was responding to someone who claimed Walker's intent was to kill. The reality that the police were given a No Knock order, that neighbours apparently did not hear any Police saying they were at the door and the fact that all charges against him have been dropped suggests what he is innocent of what Trump's team want to charge him. I got my information from looking at an inquiry into which of these tales were true and which were false.

The other side of this is that I am aware that there are two stories in the US as to what happened - never mind the stuff posted on social media. This is something I have never experienced before, in my own country, the UK or in any other. Facts are facts. So what you have is at least one of those parties for their own political interests creating a false story. Trump's supporters for instance want to support the police regardless of whether they are right or wrong. It is just another example of how the people of America are being 'groomed' for armed revolt, possibly civil war. Its sad to watch from outside.

 

True.
Here from police reports and Walker told police he thought it might be her boyfriend breaking in. You associate yourself with the hood drug dealers don't be surprised if violence follows.

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/63943132/breonna-taylor-summary-redacted1