"There won’t be a transfer, frankly. There will be a continuation." --Trump

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  1. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Sure you can use a typo to avoid the topic, why not!
     
  2. HurricaneDitka

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    That's not what the (poorly-constructed) question said. The reporter asked "win, lose, or draw". Of course there's not going to be a transfer of power if he WINS.
     
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    Not really avoiding the topic....I just don't have anything that hasn't already been expressed.
    IMHO, I don't really think tRump will leave quietly. He would sooner see all his militant tRump supporters
    start a civil war than to abide by the laws of this country.
    And in my "not so humble" opinion....I view tRump as a danger to this planet.
     
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    He is to worried about him and his family being prosecuted legally.
     
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    How is having an affair child abuse?
     
  6. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Fascism is not defined by political inventories, that's nuts and simpleton mentality.

    This is a stupid argument. But, if you really want to know, historically speaking, fascism is associated with the far right.

    If you look up 'left wing fascism' on wiki, it states:

    Fascism has historically been considered a far-right ideology.

    Fascism is associated with 'nationalism' and racial purism, this is the primary reason it is associated with the far right, who hold views of the racial purity imperative, where they
    see racial impurity as a degeneration of society.

    A
    nd if you look up "Fascism" on wiki it states

    Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5][6]


    Hitler adopts the Italian model
    The March on Rome brought Fascism international attention. One early admirer of the Italian Fascists was Adolf Hitler, who less than a month after the March had begun to model himself and the Nazi Party upon Mussolini and the Fascists.[159] The Nazis, led by Hitler and the German war hero Erich Ludendorff, attempted a "March on Berlin" modeled upon the March on Rome, which resulted in the failed Beer Hall Putsch in Munich in November 1923.[160]

    And:
    Far-right politics, also referred to as the extreme right or right-wing extremism,[1][2] are politics further on the right of the left–right political spectrum than the standard political right, particularly in terms of extreme nationalism,[3][4] nativist ideologies and authoritarian tendencies.[5][6]

    Historically used to describe the experiences of fascism and Nazism,[7] today far-right politics includes neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, the Third Position, the alt-right, white supremacism, white nationalism,[8] and other ideologies or organizations that feature aspects of ultranationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, homophobic, transphobic, anti-communist, or reactionary views.[9]

    And
    Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsiɪzəm, ˈnæt-/),[1] formally known as National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus; German pronunciation: [nat͡sjoˈnaːlzot͡sjaˌlɪsmʊs]), is the ideology and practices associated with the Nazi Party—officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP—in Nazi Germany, and of other far-right groups with similar ideas and aims. Nazism is a form of fascism,[2][3][4][5] with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system.


    Note the in the acronym, NAZI is the term 'socialist', but Hitler put it there ONLY because, at the time, the term 'socialist' had broad appeal. Nazi germany was fashioned after the fascism model, where you have a nationalist dictator who maintains permanent control, backed by an industrial plutocracy. ( mainly Farben & Krupp ) and where the dictator is the titular head of the military.

    . By the early 1920s, the party was renamed the National Socialist German Workers' Party—to attract workers away from left-wing parties such as the Social Democrats (SPD) and the Communists (KPD)—and Adolf Hitler assumed control of the organization.

    But, far right or far left, both are 'totalitarian' so both are bad, and why are we making this argument?

    Fascism is an extremism as opposed to left wing extremism called 'communism'.which, in Russia, was multi ethnic. The multi ethnic Russia was ANATHEMA to fascists.

    It's the 'as opposed to' that the right seems to be ignoring.

    Note that the statement in wikipedia is annotated with references, and you are free to check those sources which the paragraph is derived from.

    But extremism on either side of the spectrum is still bad, and bad is bad.

    Let us dispense with these stupid arguments. What the president is suggesting, 'there will be no transfer, there will be a continuation'
    are how fascist regimes begin. Who cares if it is left or right?

    Since then 18th century, AMerican has had peaceful transfers of power. This president is saying that if there are mail in ballots,
    there will be no transfer of power, he will not leave. 'There will be a continuation' he says. These are the words of a dictator wannabe.

    You should be condemning the words, no matter who says them.

    Quit trying to turn this into a left versus right argument. Extremist totalitarianism right or left, is equally bad.
     
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  7. mdrobster

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    Seems Trump supporters are always having to interpret what Trump says. One would expect the POTUS to speak more clearly.
     
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    There is no logical reason to believe he isn’t fit for running a country after doing such a great job.
     
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    Joe wants to send "social workers" to domestic disputes, will they be armed?
     
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    At least you acknowledge that the country would have lost its mind to elect Joe Biden, who has continually proven, even to his own former boss(Obama) that he can't be POTUS.

    The main difference between these two is that in Biden's first 100 days, instead of scheming Crossfire Hurricane, they'll be running the government from the shadows and Biden isn't even a half way decent puppet.

    In 2022, Republicans will recover and we'll get a neocon President in 2024.
     
  11. Doofenshmirtz

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    You have a lot of good points. Why do Dems get a pass for doing the same?
     
  12. The Mello Guy

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    I’m trying to show can trump can say he’ll leave while still being a childish buffoon.
     
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    "The Republican National Committee’s National Ballot Security Task Force, founded in 1981 in New Jersey by the Republican National Committee, aimed to discourage Democratic voter turnout in the state’s gubernatorial election. The group was sued by Democration National Committee on grounds that the GOP had violated Voting Rights Act. The RNC entered into consent decree with the state in 1982.
    Despite efforts to extend the agreement, it expired in 2017."
    “We’ve been concerned about the potential abuse of that kind of tactic since the expiration,”
    "Threatening to deploy law enforcement for elections isn’t just scaring people from the polls but also “continuing to fan the flames of violent conflicts between right-wing extremists and peaceful protesters,”

    “That’s not interfering with the election per se but it is a dramatic misuse of emergency powers for the purpose of a political campaign.”

     
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    Trump is an awful excuse for a President. Voting for those who supported the Iraq invasion/catastrophe is, at the same time, unthinkable. That a political party would offer such candidates two times in a row is also unthinkable. It is not the lesser of two evils, it is just two evils.
     
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    So in Hillarie's own words, "under any circumstances"?
     
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    "Chosen one"
     
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    Jesus... a funny gif to rebut Trump saying he'll be unamerican
     
  18. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Evidence, please
     
  19. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    two things

    1. Hillary is not the candidate
    2. You quote is out of context, she said 'if the election is close' which means do not concede without a recount because of repubilican chicanery ( purging, supression, figuring out ways to not count votes, not counting provisional ballots, etc etc ). Of course, it hasn't occurred to you that dems are sensible about these things and where clarifications begs, you'll certainly not ask for it nor will you be willing to give the benefit of the doubt, nor have you noticed that Trump is about as far from sensible is as Zeta Reticuli is from earth.

    To wit: his statement IF BIDEN WINS, Dems will have RIGGED the election. That is neither sensible nor true. It's a direct attempt undermine the election process to sew seeds of doubt in order to give people the feeling their vote won't count, such that they will stay home and not vote because. the fewer people vote, the better chances are for republicans.

    I pray you can grasp the difference, but, alas, I doubt it.
     
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    So she really meant....galvanize the resistence?
     
  21. TurnerAshby

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    Read point 1 again
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    So, you are saying you can't tell the difference between AOC and HIllary?

    Read point 1 again
     
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  23. TurnerAshby

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    Trumps evidence for fraud "8 ballots and ballots in the river"

    There are going to be 10 million+ ballots, 8 ballots isn't evidence of anything
     
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    The person who asked the question asked if any on the left had made a similar statement. And hillary can certainly influence Joe.
     
  25. FatBack

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    See post 99.
     

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