Statistically Impossible China Virus Numbers

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  1. James California

    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ There are indeed "experts" pointing out that lockdowns in the U.S. were not necessary. Of course we don't see that on network news. Those who work in mental health are very concerned about the psychological / sociological ramifications of isolation, job loss, fear, depression etc. Nobody factors those numbers in the "statistical analysis" . I wonder why .. ?
     
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    I was furloughed from my job from March to August because my branch of the medical profession was deemed “non-essential”. When I went back to work after 5 months, it was like I never left the lab, and that whole 5 months seemed like a blur of stop-time. I had no idea how depressed I had been during that time until my first day back at the office. I’m still feeling like something is missing but I can’t figure out what it is. There is definitely a mental health issue related to the lockdown that, in my opinion, is far worse than the actual pandemic itself.
     
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    Worldwide Deaths = 980k

    USA Deaths = 220k


    Do the math...

    I have no idea where you got that "statistically impossible" stuff from...

    Here, use this:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=onl...e.1.69i57j0l8.4742j0j9&sourceid=silk&ie=UTF-8

    Just trying to make it easy for you...

    Once again, Do the Math...

    It is rather simple actually...:flagus:
     
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  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Look this apparent idea that the virus can't multiply fast enough to kill lots of people is about the silliest thing I've seen on here or anywhere else, ever. The whole idea of microbial disease is based on the fact that microbes/viruses can multiply into the quadrillions in a week.
     
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    I told one of our resident “experts” that homeless people and illegal immigrants are the main culprit of the virus spreading so quickly through the States, using the same mindset that you are describing, and the so-called “40 year medical expert” refused to believe it. So I’m waiting for him to come in here and laugh at your silly idea that even a small exposure to this virus can have a devastating impact on a community, especially from a largely unchecked rabble like homeless people and illegal immigrants who have very poor health and sanitation standards and free access to all parts of the community and any walks of life that are willing to “spare a dime” or provide cheap under-the-table labor.

    The Trump Administration should have rounded them all up and put them into quarantine camps back in February before the pandemic had a chance to get a foothold in the U.S.
     
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    I think the rest of the world is intentionaly under-reporting the cases. But I mean the whole world besides the United States is outright lying. I find that particular idea scary. What a corupt world we live in!! And, these US statistics are high even with the Donald Trump administration's meddiling with science data. Think about that!
     
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    Right, the entire world is in on the Plot To Make Trump Look Bad

    Oh, the perfidy
     
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    And then we can just have these chambers to test insecticides.
     
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    Tiktok???

    really???
     
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    You got a point? The EU had less than 300 deaths yesterday and the US over 1500.

    But on the travel "ban".
    First announcement. No travel except from the UK.
    Second announcement. No travel except cargo and from the UK.
    Third announcement. No travel except cargo, from the UK and US citizens.
    Forth announcement. No travel from the UK either.

    All within 48 hours. Does that sound to you like someone making well planned measured and calculated responses? Or does that sound like someone clearly in over his head making knee jerk reactions? "I have an idea! Hand me me the phone."
     
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    So which is it with you people? Either Trump responded too much or he didn’t respond enough to the pandemic. Ban Asian travel and it’s racist. Ban travel for the Euro-trash and it’s “oh my God, the nerve of that man!” :roll:
     
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    Sitting in Aus watching the USA I would say “Didnt do enough”
     
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    Maybe because the person who has access to the best information and is supposed to lead doesn't know what's too little and too much? Remember those four policies above came in less than 48 hours.
     
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    Did you watch the video? Her grandfather died. He tested negative for covid-19 at least twice. He died of cancer, heart disease, kidney failure, pneumonia and sepsis. The cause of death on his death certificate was covid-19. The number of 200K deaths in the US is completely fraudulent. Typical liberal argument fallacy to attack the messenger. Shame on you if you are not American to try to influence our elections btw.
     
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    I remember it when it happened. I also remember the news coming out of Europe was not good at all. Trump’s reactions in that 48 hours were good ones. The problem with the U.S. is that our borders are too porous and not closed enough. The moment that Trump started tightening the borders and points of entry from Europe, all of the Euro-trash started whining about how unfair that it was.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...s-chaos-eu-says-it-wasnt-warned-of-travel-ban
     
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    Not that much of any of this matters, it is entirely academic, but does anyone seriously trust information coming from the C.C.P.? It is not possible for us to know how many died in China.
     
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    It is statistically impossible unless it can be proven that covid-19 discriminates against Americans and recognizes borders or, that Americans are doing something different than the rest of the world that facilitates the spread of the disease. I haven't seen any peer reviewed scientific articles that explains what Americans are doing differently that spreads the disease. I haven't even seen any plausible theories on what Americans did wrong that enabled the spread of the disease.
     
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    Thank you for that valid point. We don't always have the time to put forward these valid counter arguments. You won't see them in the MSM either. The real purpose of the lock downs was supposed to be to flatten the curve so our hospitals were not overrun with infected patients. Democrats then used it to destroy the lives of Americans by damaging the economy knowing that no president gets reelected in an economic downturn. This is also the reason for the riots and violence.
     
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    It's statistically, scientifically and medically impossible unless it can be demonstrated why Americans as a nationality are more vulnerable to the coronavirus.
     
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    In the United States, the virus had evolved to resist efforts such as hand-washing and social distancing. The Gly614 variant strains have become common in America and virtually all strains in the second wave have a Gly614 amino acid replacement in the spike protein, making it much more contagious than the original Wuhan virus. Wearing masks, washing our hands, all those things are barriers to contagion, but as the virus becomes more contagious, it statistically is better at getting around those barriers.

     
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    What you are ignoring is that America has a highly individualistic, rebellious culture that is skeptical of authority. It took us months simply to wear masks. In China, mask wearing was a part of their culture and their people were doing this on day 1. Their government also instituted very severe quarantines while the US never fully even locked down. Their people were a lot more compliant with the quarantine than Americans with far less strict lockdowns.
     
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    ~ In China you have no choice but to comply with government. That is how the Chinese Communist Party rules the people. There are no real freedoms in China - only authority.
    Bad comparison .
    { There are no reliable statistics for China - but some estimate 1 million deaths }

    ~ The sad thing is this is more than likely correct. Too many suspicious flip-flops from CDC , Fauci and WHO. The media is useless / undependable to investigate these issues.
     
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    I'm not commenting on the ethics of the Chinese government, only on the effect of the measures taken. I'm only saying that quarantine measures have historically been very effective against viruses and its very doubtful that one million people died from covid especially when nearly all the cases were restricted to Wuhan and such strong measures were taken. Also, we know quite a bit about what is happening in China because Chinese people communicate with people outside China regularly. If the virus killed a million people, we would have heard about mass deaths. Thats impossible to hide. They opened up after a couple months and don't even need to wear masks anymore. Life is a lot more normal there than it is here.
     
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    Here's an idea. The numbers in the US could be consideraly higher than in other countries because the current administration in Washington hasn't been able to handle this pandemic effectively. The idea that these numbers make the US look bad so they must be wrong is utterly ridiculous. And of course the whole world is lying about their numbers to make Washington look bad. face palm
    Btw, the first travel-related and the first known Covid 19 case in the US was a 35-year old guy from Snohomish county coming back to the US from Wuhan via Seattle Tacoma International Airport on 15 Jan 2020. It really seems some people have to resort to lying because their minds cannot accept facts.
    https://web.archive.org/web/2020012...d-in-washington-state-first-in-united-states/
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191
    https://web.archive.org/web/2020012...detects-first-novel-coronavirus-case-traveler
     
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