How Mail-in Voting Works

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Sleep Monster, Sep 24, 2020.

  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    You quote my post where I say "I should add that there are also many many voluntary groups who scan each and every vote looking for discrepancies."

    Where does it say they have access to the ballots? Not even the election workers, who are in charge of checking the signatures in the first place. As well as manually verifying the machine count after the elections, have access to the ballots. Ever!

    Chew on that!

    It's clear that Trump is counting on the fact that his followers are completely clueless as to how elections work to try to get them to support his fake "electoral fraud" nonsense. And he will use that ignorance to cast aspersion on a system that has worked perfectly for decades.
     
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    Because after much observation I long ago concluded that you are intellectually dishonest, and I thusly see no reason to play your silly games.
     
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    And yet ballots end up in the trash.
     
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    It was meant to be extremely odd. But, despite that, not even nearly as odd as the post I was responding to.

    It's called "Reduction ad Absurdum" (reduction to absurdity) A very common argumentative strategy to make a point. But it seems to always leave most Trump loyalists scratching their heads wondering what hit them...
     
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    We’ve been doing mail in ballots for decades
     
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    Nation wide?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Lame excuse. It is now on record that you weren't able to answer your own question.

    My task is done...
     
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    Well YOU WIN!!!!

    :applause::winner::applause:
     
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    Then again :wierdface:

    Doesn't really qualify either ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    It is a frequently made error in logic, that if you can put a name on it, that solves the problem. Putting a name on it does mean didly squat or explain anything.
     
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    The op forgot to mention a thing about ballot harvesting, almost no oversight whatsoever in Colorado. Democrats have it down to a science.
    The only safe way to vote by mail is to hand deliver your ballot, recall the film of the postal worker throwing ballots in the trash!
     
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    You were the one that stated

    Soooooo, there is that :wierdface:
     
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    See bolded part Chew on that. And how does the ballot get received, and opened, and checked and run through a machine if not through election official access to them before they are tabulated?
     
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    So you think that bolding something changes the meaning? Sorry dude... it doesn't.

    They don't get checked. The machine does the checking. And then the digital images are checked for errors or write-in candidates after they were counted. Unless a manual recount is triggered either by one of the automatic safeguards, or by order of a judge.

    You make too many assumptions instead of asking questions.
     
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    You said they scan each and every vote looking at them that requires handling them, stop being obtuse about your own words or else retract them.
     
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    No I didn't! I said "scan each and every vote looking for discrepancies"

    It's obvious technology is an area that you are not keen on. You can scan a ballot for discrepancies without the actual ballot.

    Obviously you are not going to get it unless I explain it. A voter receives the ballot. That ballot goes into a "secrecy sleeve" This secrecy sleeve goes into an envelope that has the voter's name, address, a bar code, etc., which the voter dates and signs That envelope goes into the mailing envelope

    As I understood it from a conversation I had with the Supervisor of Elections in my county, Election officials open the mailing envelope, and put the closed internal envelope (the one with the signature and bar code) in a machine that scans the envelope information and pairs the bar code with the voter roll. Another official sits at that machine, looks at the image and checks that signature against the one on the voter roll. If they don't match (or any other problem), they are rejected and the voter receives notification so they can correct the problem. If they match, the digital image of the envelope is saved and the ballot in the secrecy sleeve is passed to continue the process. Other election officials take the ballots out of the secrecy sleeve, and place them in the machine so they can get counted after the polls close. When the polls close, the machine counts the votes and saves a digital image of each vote. The ballots themselves are stored for up to 22 months. Election workers count the votes again from the images to check the results by the machine. And take note of write-in candidates (even if the write-in candidate is Donald Duck). The results are certified, and all those images become part of the public record.

    None of these machines are connected to the Internet or to any network so they can't get hacked.

    But, at that point, anybody can check either the digital image of the ballots, or the digital image of the signed envelopes compared to the voter roll signatures. Also the database of who has voted is public record. So volunteers can check who voted, and double check them against anything they want. Like travel records (if the voter was in Florida when the vote was mailed), death records, records of other states, ... or anything they want to check.
     
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    And yet with that and the many words that followed:
    More Than 550,000 Primary Absentee Ballots Rejected In 2020, Far Outpacing 2016. 18,000 of those were in Florida.
    "Those mistakes are avoided when you vote in person," Smith said. "You have seven, 10 people who can assist you in terms of making sure that you know about the ovals having to be filled out." As a result, only about one-hundredth of a percent of in-person ballots are rejected compared with about 1% of mail-in ballots."
    https://www.npr.org/2020/08/22/9046...e-ballots-rejected-in-2020-far-outpacing-2016
    Democrats vote by mail. Republicans vote in person and everyone is happy.
     
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    So what? Why are they in the trash? Unless you can show intent, it's easy to dismiss 7 trashed ballots as human error.
     
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    I'm happy. Because if you convince Republicans in Florida of that, Democrats win the state by a landslide. But I'm not happy because, in the middle of this pandemic, many of them will die trying to elect a numskull who only cares about himself, and has called his own supporters "disgusting"
     
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    From the beginning I have referred to fraud and error. With the number of people handling each ballot, it increases the chances of fraud and error. Whether that person's vote is lost due to fraud or error, the result is the same. They were just disenfranchised. They just don't know it.
     
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    People will vote however they need to. I can vote in person three weeks early. I have already have my absentee ballot request. If for some reason I cannot vote in person, I will vote absentee. However, at this time I fully intend to vote in person and my vote will be counted. Most other republicans I know are doing the same.

    Fauci has said we should be able to vote safely in person. It is no more difficult than going to the grocery store and probably a lot safer.
     
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    That is absolutely not true. I touch the button for each candidate. After I review my selections, I see the paper printout on a roll and then it is rolled up inside the voting machine. The votes are then added up electronically. It there is some reason to question the results, there is a paper backup. No one handles my in person ballot.
     

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