If the Supreme Court Ends Obamacare, Here’s What It Would Mean

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Patricio Da Silva, Sep 22, 2020.

  1. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2012
    Messages:
    24,509
    Likes Received:
    7,248
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The court is there to decide what's legal, not which outcomes are preferable. That is the legislature's job.
     
  2. Esperance

    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2017
    Messages:
    5,151
    Likes Received:
    4,379
    Trophy Points:
    113

    This is a falsehood of the worst kind.

    The ACA was set up to price fix with certain regulations in mind that insured that only a limited number of insurance providers could exist within the same geographic area.
    Reimbursement levels are not equivalent in all markets.

    There is simply no way to remedy the ACA deductible variation imbalances.
     
  3. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,010
    Likes Received:
    16,803
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So basically it took you half a lifetime to discover you are mildly lactose intolerant. Just evidence that access to specialists should be cheaper and easier. An allergist would have helped you find your problem much sooner. Interesting to note that food allergens are far less common in third world countries where kids go outside and play and do chores.
     
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2020
  4. (original)late

    (original)late Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2015
    Messages:
    8,372
    Likes Received:
    4,001
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Republicans top that nearly every time they open their mouths.

    Besides, you're wrong. There is an easy fix, national healthcare.

    Because you guys live in that alt-reality BS world, you've kinda checked out of reality. Because England needs to control costs, they have the best preventive care programs in the world. But it wouldn't be hard to improve on them, we spend twice as much on health care, and can afford to do a lot better.
     
  5. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    28,147
    Likes Received:
    19,389
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You are incorrect. I went to an allergist as a teenager. They drew a map on my back and arm and injected me with 20+ possible allergens. They took a sinus X-ray and told me that I am just prone to sinus pain and there was nothing I could do about it. I got constant sinus infections and was taking antibiotics several times a year. It just kept getting worse.

    25 years later, my diet and healthcare is third world and I don't get sick.

    The majority of our illness is the result of consuming government subsidized food products. High fructose corn syrup is a triple subsidy, We pay to produce, pay to buy it for the poor, and then pay to mask symptoms so they can get sicker.

    Results speak for themselves. In spite of record access to the product mislabeled as "healthcare" and record profits for pharm companies, Americans are fatter and sicker than ever.
     
  6. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,010
    Likes Received:
    16,803
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We are fatter, because we sit here typing on computers all day. And exercise consists of walking to the refrigerator and throwing something into the microwave. The life style caloric needs if the average Westerner these days is 1200 to 1500 calories too many of us take in 1800 to 2400 and sometimes more. The average life expectancy in the US is around 80. In the third world it's around fifty. We are sicker largely because we are older. Oh and because we spend way more time in doors than once we did and we don't get near enough vitamin D.
     
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2020
  7. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    28,147
    Likes Received:
    19,389
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Feeding the problem and masking symptoms don't make things better. As far as living to 80, life span cannot be measure until death and those living to 80 did not grow up consuming processed foods and pharm products. Our average lifespan will be much lower. Diabetes was never a childs disease.

    2 of my 5 kids were diagnosed with ADHD. Teachers and doctors strongly encouraged me to put them on meds. One doctor told me that my son would likely end up in prison if I didn't medicate him. Both were cured with: A skateboard, drum kit, and no processed foods.

    For accidents and unexpected illness, our healthcare system is great. For the majority of illness, it just makes things worse.
     
  8. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    57,010
    Likes Received:
    16,803
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yeah it was. Not as common as today for sure. One of the old time Chicago Cubs hall of famers had Juvenile diabetes. I think it was Ernie Banks but I might be wrong. My nephew was diagnosed when he was seven. I think he's now in his fifties.
     
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2020
    Doofenshmirtz likes this.
  9. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2017
    Messages:
    3,616
    Likes Received:
    1,073
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It's economical because you and your fellow workers pay into the company via your labor....the company makes a profit and then buys an insurance policy for EVERYONE that won't break the bank (keep a profit margin the owners are happy with). Big difference from the individual buying insurance out of their own salary and savings.

    Again, YOU are NOT prohibited from buying additional or independent insurance (independent from your place of business). Never have in my decades on this planet. So no one is being "punished" or denied choices. The advertisements from various insurance companies tells you that.
     
  10. GrayMan

    GrayMan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2010
    Messages:
    8,371
    Likes Received:
    3,515
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yeah it's different. It's worse because if you don't like the insurance the company got for you, you would have to pay for one entirely on your own. It's better to just give the money to the employees as part of their salary and let them buy their own. The only benefit of having the company get your insurance for you is the convenience of you not having to do your own shopping. You think the company is looking for the best bang for their buck that looks good on the surface or something that really at its core is the most beneficial for its employees as their personal needs?
     
  11. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2018
    Messages:
    32,289
    Likes Received:
    15,818
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Hasn’t everyone heard...there is no more Obamacare
    Obamacare is no longer Obamacare, as we worked on it and managed it very well,” Trump said of the law that continues to provide coverage for more than 20 million Americans. “What we have now is a much better plan. It is no longer Obamacare because we got rid of the worse part of it — the individual mandate.

    So everyone going on and on about how bad our health care plans are have been incorrectly blaming Obamacare. Apparently what we have since Trump took over is a much better plan. And it is no longer Obamacare. So you’ve all been complaining about “Trumpcare”.
     
  12. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2017
    Messages:
    3,616
    Likes Received:
    1,073
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Pay attention to the conclusion of what you just posted.....exactly how much do you think a company should put into your salary towards you buying an individual insurance policy? If it's a flat rate for all, you or someone else would STILL be in the same boat I previously described....buying additional insurance on your own that would cost a hell of a lot more than through your job. Remember, everyone's needs are different....that's why a lot of folk gripe about their jobs insurance policy (it doesn't cover enough, etc.). There are company's that get really good coverage for their employee's but you rarely hear about them. No matter how you slice it, trying to can Obamacare without trying to fix the flaws or have a decent replacement plan is not a solution. No one is currently being punished or denied choices. A matter of fact and history you seem reluctant to acknowledge.
     
  13. AZ.

    AZ. Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2017
    Messages:
    2,174
    Likes Received:
    2,196
    Trophy Points:
    113
    JFC!........Your so off its a joke....It was 3rd baseman Ron Santo, then turned announcer, and he has been dead for years! Had no legs(this old cub) was a documentary that his son made about his struggles as he aged.

    And that would be a pre existing condition!
     
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2020

Share This Page