Here's a question for Betamax. American Moon (English Version) At the 2:07:16 time mark of the above video a puff of dust moves upwards when the astronaut closes a cover on the rover. I can't see any other explanation for the movement other than air. Please give us your analysis of this.
Typical evasive tactics from you. You pretty much bypassed all the rebuttal and re-asserted a varied claim. The Visible clumps of soil are not falling at Earth freefall when the video runs at 1.5. They only match freefall at a figure close to 2.45.
It's a thermal cover now exposed to the Sun in a vacuum. Your understanding regarding anything associated with this is extremely limited. A 'puff of dust'? Where are you seeing this? If air was moving that cover it would need to be quite a hefty draft and any such drafts would blast surface dust all over the place.
The puff of dust can be seen at the 2:07:28 time mark. The narrator starts talking about it at the 2:07:16 time mark. When you've seen it, tell us what you think caused it.
Direct impact. You can actually see it being pushed sideways not up. His comment about a local small impact pushing dust from elsewhere is absurd.
I put it on full screen and set the speed to .25. At the 2:07:54 time mark it's shown in slow motion so it's in super slow motion at this speed setting. The movement of the dust is clearly consistent with the air explanation. In a vacuum there would be no force making it move in a jet. Something falling on dust would not cause any force that would make the dust behave in that way. Air pushing the dust is the only force that would make the dust move in that way.
If there was air, the entire surrounding area where the cover falls onto would expel it and push dust everywhere not just on this localised higher impact area. You are simply not capable of working anything out honestly. Simple experiment. Drop a book onto a table with some salt or flour sprinkled around. The air currents send it off in all directions. It's a local small impact in lower gravity. Tiny movement accordingly. I love the line from the video "if it was a vibration all the sand would move at once"! That line is way truer for "if there is air being forced out in all directions from a wide descending flat surface".
In a vacuum there would be no currents and the dust wouldn't be ejected in a manner that's one hundred percent consistent with the atmosphere explanation. This doesn't make the above go away. There are plausible explanations for this. We can't really see where the dust is until it moves away. It's possible that there was only dust in the spot where we see it getting ejected. Tell us how you think the dust should behave in atmosphere if you think its behaviour isn't consistent with the atmosphere explanation. If you ever encounter somebody who says the Earth is flat, have him or her watch one of these videos. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rocketcam
You really aren't that smart are you. I said this:- Simple experiment. Drop a book onto a table with some salt or flour sprinkled around. The air currents send it off in all directions. Since that experiment would show what would occur if there were air, it is easy to conclude that there isn't in the video excerpt. A falling flat surface would send air off in all directions. Clearly it didn't. The "above" is your poor comprehension failure. Yet your video maker quite pointedly demonstrates that it is all over the surrounding area. Your own video busts your stupid claim. More comprehension failure. I just did in this post and the one you failed to fully address. I deal with enough idiots as it is.
He doesn't demonstrate it. He says it. Maybe he was wrong. The bottom line is that there's no identifiable force that would make it shoot out that way if it's in a vacuum. The movement is totally consistent with the air explanation. That movement would be impossible in a vacuum. If it only happened in one place, we can deduce that there was only dust in that one place.
And we see it everywhere! No, you are and that is a ridiculous thing to say. Impact force and the absence of any significant air on the surrounding dust confirms this. The movement is totally inconsistent with air. The movement seen is totally possible from impact in a vacuum. If it only happened in one place when the whole flat surface of the cover comes down we can deduce it was a localised impact force and that had there been air doing this, the entire area would blow dust all over the place. Unknowingly you just proved that footage was shot in a vacuum and now you have nowhere to go apart from Bullshit Boulevard.
It only happens in the corner and on the left side. There may be some characteristic on the bottom of the cover that we can't see that lets more air out in that area. In that scenario the absence of any significant dust being blown on the surrounding side doesn't confirm anything. The lip of the cover doesn't even reach where the dust is and there is no impact. If there were no air, the shock would cause the dust to bounce up and then fall back down. It would not cause it to move away. Anyone who puts the video on slow speed and full screen can see this.
We have a flat cover coming down in a vacuum. The nearest corner strikes first - there is the impact and the force. Yes it does, it confirms it must be in a vacuum and it confirms that you will lie and obfuscate at anything no matter what. A totally pathetic claim. You cannot see the lip of the cover, but the descending flat surface will send air moving in the only direction it can escape to. It would scatter surrounding dust in all directions. It doesn't - it is a vacuum. Bullshit, it would do exactly what it does, a small impact force and dust expelled in the opposite direction. You are cornered spammer, you have nowhere to go and you know it. You just proved the whole video was in a vacuum and now are doing everything but admit it. Air would be scattered in all directions and so would all the visible surrounding dust, period!
Yes, you can. It's obvious that the lip doesn't even reach where the dust is and there is no impact. Anybody who puts the video on full screen can see that. You're all washed up.
It's obvious that dust is surrounding the whole area. A flat descending surface would blast it in all directions. Putting it on full screen shows all the dust. Everyone, apart from a lying spammer knows what would happen. The fact none of that happens is the opposite to your assertion. You have proven this was in a vacuum and backed yourself into a corner. All you need now is a pointy hat with a D on it.
I gave a rebuttal to that. Here it is again. The lip which you say makes impact doesn't even come close to where the dust is. It stops about half an inch above the spot where the dust that blows away is. Take a close look. Where you say there's an impact, there is no impact.
You seem to be confusing your obfuscation and squirming with a valid point. We have a wide surface coming down with dust obviously and clearly everywhere. Your video maker goes to pains to point this out, quite ignorantly as it turns out because by his own video he demonstrates it cannot be air. Obfuscation and squirming again. You are cornered - you suddenly realised a few posts back that all your 15 years of bluster was undone by your own hand with a simple piece of irrefutable physics. They would object to your participation in a debate hall due to your profound ignorance and contempt for the truth. Flat surfaces in an atmosphere send air in all directions as they descend. Not tiny localised puffs caused clearly by the corner striking first.
The corner of the cover didn't strike at all. Anyone who looks at it can see that (2:07:26 time mark). AMERICAN MOON, 2017 https://www.bitchute.com/video/eZramDBFkXRU/ American Moon (English Version) The bottom of the lip comes to a stop a good half an inch from the spot where the dust is. There is no impact where we can see the dust being blown. There is probably no impact all along the front too. We can't see it. That would explain why the dust all along the front doesn't get blown away. As I said before, we can't see what's under the top of the cover. Evidently there's something there that causes more air pressure at the corner. Go ahead and insist all you want; it's super clear that there's no impact where you keep insisting that there's impact.
If all else fails, and it always does with this guy, spam your video again. Anyone who understands the most basic of all physics, or who has dropped a flat object will know that it sends a big draft of air in all directions. From the video, clearly two things are obvious. Number 1, there is dust everywhere on the rover. The video maker goes to great pains to show this, erroneously thinking it helps his case. It does the opposite. Number 2, the descending flat lid has no air being expelled as it comes down. Not relevant at all, almost certainly there will be a raised surround on the lid to reinforce the flat section. But irrelevant because the falling flat surface would send dust in every direction. It doesn't, therefore there is no air. Why should we be able to see underneath the lid? You are just blowing air out of your butt to cover the obvious. Unfortunately what you claim and what is dead obvious are two very real and sadly for you different things. A downwards falling flat surface sends air in all directions. You are completely busted. Nor do we need to, to understand what happens when a flat surface descends! What a crock! It's super clear that you are busted. You have proven they are in a vacuum. A descending flat surface will send air in all directions. In a vacuum a small localised impact will make a small localised vibration. We see the latter. You must be furious. After all this time of spamming your garbage on hundreds of forums, the final nail that seals your bullshit claim is from your own stupidity.
This is the big flaw in your argument. There is no impact. The lip of the cover doesn't touch the surface where the dust is. When the cover falls it stops a good half an inch above it. It does that if there's an impact but there's no impact. In order to see what makes the air shoot out at the corner. We can't see what's there but our not knowing what it is doesn't make the anomaly go away. Wrong. Air is expelled at the corner. That's what makes the dust move. You seem to be trying to change your story. At first you said that the impact made the dust move. (from post #214) You can't worm your way out of this one. Once you write it and the edit window passes, what you said is there for all the viewers to see. You said that there is impact but anybody who takes the time to look at that part of the video will see there's no impact. The lip stops a good half inch before it would impact the area where the dust is.
Your whole internet presence is a flaw. The lid corner strikes the edge. I really don't need to convince somebody of THAT when the large very obvious point overrides it. You are either lying or incredibly dumb. Flat surfaces falling down send enclosed air out in all directions, regardless of any impact at the end. There is no air. The absence of air is confirmed from the absence of any surrounding dust scattering. Irrelevant in the extreme. What we don't see overrides what we do. We don't see the inevitable dust scattering from the falling flat surface! Same thing, you are either lying or are extremely dumb. If there is ONLY movement in one place, when a flat surface falls there cannot be air, since the consequence of a falling flat surface is to expel air in all directions. That is correct. Nowhere have I changed my story. I'm not the "worm" here. You are. You are trying by repetition and a very ignorant omission to worm YOURSELF out of this. Anybody who takes the time to look and who is also honest, will know from experience that a falling flat surface will send dust in all directions. You are busted spammer. You have proven the footage is in a vacuum and it clearly bugs you. You cannot escape this fact and hopefully if I get time I shall create a video about it.
No it doesn't. It stops a good half an inch above the edge. Viewers... Start watching the video at the 2:07:26 time mark. It depends on the speed and how far away the flat surface is from the area of potential impact. If it's far enough above it and the speed is slow enough, it will not push enough air to make dust shoot away. See above. How do you know what's under the inside of the cover? It can't be seen. If air only blows dust outward in one place, there are scenarios that would explain this. There may be more dust at the place where it blows outward and there may be very little or no dust where it doesn't blow outward. There may be something under the cover that we can't see that is closer to the area where the dust blows outward which causes more pressure than at the other areas. Anybody who takes the time to look can see that you have said there was impact and then there was no impact. (from post #205) (from post #207) (from post #212) (from post #214) (from post #214) You seem to be agreeing with me here because you see you've been wrong about the impact. (from post #220) Why didn't you say that I was wrong and that there was impact? See top of post.
Make your position very clear. Do you maintain that the lip of the cover touched the area where the dust was, or do you maintain that it stopped falling slightly above the area where the dust was?
I'm really struggling to understand such poor comprehension from this spammer. He knows the game is up. The footage shows evidence of things that are impossible in atmosphere. There is dust everywhere. The video maker said it because he thought it would disallow the tiny localised puff from an impact. It has the opposite consequence. A flat surface falling on Earth will spread air out predominantly in the direction of fall, but also via the edges. A clearly large flat surface and clearly being pushed shut from around 120 degrees is going to fall quickly and blast air everywhere in its vicinity. This comedian is denying the obvious because he knows this closes his own case quite literally! Sample case lid closes, pushed shut - dust everywhere on Earth. There is no argument here - we are done and so is he. He's just too dishonest to admit it.
