Federal Court blocks Trump order to exclude undocumented immigrants from census count

That is how it should work, however this has been the characteristics of voter representation in the US since the conception of the legislative branch and the electoral college. In fact, slave owning states were given extra representation based on the number of slaves they owned

 

Another good reason for California to throw open its borders for Illegal Aliens while telling Californians SEE? SEE? Illegal Aliens are good for California! They make us money!

 

And here I was, thinking its President's responsibility, prerogative and his privilege to appoint judges to the SCOTUS. The **** I knew, @Surfer Joe tells me we the Conservatives are packing the SCOTUS with "right wing ideologues"!

 

You missed my point. The census law says temporary residents are not to be counted, like a visitor touring the states for a month or year (or even 10 years, I guess). Only bona fide permanent residents (citizenship is not a requirement) are counted. To be precise the residency count is of days for place to place; it is used for 10 years.

 

It's called the 14th Amendment to the Constitution

 

So obama appointed judges want illegal aliens to be counted in the Census? No surprise because obama told them to vote.

 

Well, they are if they have been here, living here, paying rent, paying taxes, which most undocumented persons are.

That's common sense.

 

How’s that any different than counting slaves who could be sold to someone in a different state?

 

That’s citizenship, not the census. Unrelated.

 

Expect Trump do do something that lacks democracy to fix it for himself. Have the Judge murdered, or disappear. Like they would do in Russia. Italy during Musolini years. Following in the foot steps of MBS, Putin, and all the other criminal leaders by force.

 

Well, undocumented persons cannot vote, so they are not going to get more 'votes' there. But, if you mean representatives voting on legislation in congress, although the constitution says census data is to be used for apportionment, That actual number that has been apportioned in congress ( the house ) that number is fixed, has been since 1929 when the Permanent Apportionment Act became law. It permanently set the maximum number of representatives at 435. So the census no longer is going to affect congressional apportionment, in the aggregate, though a few states may lose one, or gain one, or so, as long as the total is the same. So, in that sense, your argument carries a slight amount of weight, but in the states where most immigrants live, in Texas and California, they have so many representatives as it is that a gain of one or a loss of one doesn't really change the balance of voting power for those states. However, in terms of balance of power, overall, when the house is split almost evenly, let's say one side only has a couple more than the other, than all this business of reapportionment really becomes an intense issue on highly partisan issues, but dems have the house by a considerable margin now, so I don't see this as an argument with much traction.


However, what the census is more about is where to direct federal funds for schools, socials services, roads, etc and that is determined by POPULATION, so says the constitution. The constitution doesn't specify 'citizens' is says 'count the population'

But.....

Either way, argument is moot. There is no way to tell if someone who answers the doorbell, a census take answers question, and an undocumented person is not likely to give honest answers anyway for they fear being deported. one thing census is NOT, the census takers are not there to do the job of the 'migra' and, by law, the census information cannot be used against anyone, undocs, or not.. In other words, the problem with Trump's "EO" , it's unenforceable.

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigra...to-count-illegal-aliens-in-apportionment-moot

 

You realize that we have moved past borrowing against our children's future and are now on our grandchildren's future. For you and I, our best hope is that we die of old age before the Ponzi scheme collapses on itself. The total debt/liability is now over 1 million dollars per taxpayer. This is what makes the idea of paying for services to illegal aliens counterproductive. We need immigrants that are net PAYERS, we need to stop all immigrants that are net TAKERS.

 

And you know, Leftists would actually believe they are “making” money when they are given Fed funds.

 

Be specific, my friend; Illegal Aliens cannot (yet) vote in federal elections.

Local they can, and if Liberals are in charge, in federal they soon will vote too.

https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_permitting_noncitizens_to_vote_in_the_United_States

 

Its simple.. they are not "undocumented immigrants". They are here illegally. Period..

Stop making them sound like a legal immigrant that just lost some documentation.

 

I am one who believes that living organisms, of any kind, should not be:

1. Patented
2. Rendered 'illegal'

Such as seeds, plants, animals, *engineered organisms, and humans. I know they are, it's just that I believe, in principle, they should not be.

Sorry, undocumented persons. First crossers 'crime' is a class B misdemeanor, an infraction of that class most Americans have committed at one point or another.

So, if undocs are 'illegal' by your own logic, so are you.

I, personally, have no problem with undocumented, if they can prove residency for over, say, 5 years, and they have been paying taxes, to vote.

*I could accept that an 'engineered organism' could be rendered illegal, should
it become a menace to society in some way.

 

You just want to dehumanize them, that way you feel okay about doing cruel things to them, take their kids away forever, put them behind bars with inadequate sanitation, food, remove the uteruses from women without their consent, etc.

https://www.aclu.org/issues/immigra...nd-detention/immigration-detention-conditions

Sorry, I'm not that person.

 

I know of at least one hundred million hard working, law abiding Nigerians who’d love to come here without documents and help make America great. Are you going to welcome them here if they can come, committing just a class B misdemeanor which is no big deal? If not, why not?

 

Sounds like, you wanna tear down the borders installations and do away with passport controls at the airport.Can they all come?

 

Paying taxes? There's massive amounts of SSI fraud by stealing social security numbers. I'll grant you the rent since there's really no way to prove or disprove it.

But no, undocumenteds cannot, must not be seen as citizens or citizenship is a joke.

This flawed interpretation of the 14th amendment is a quote unquote "far right" complaint that I fully endorse and I didn't even spearhead it as a Nationalist. It just makes sense.

 

Another idiot decision hopefully overturned by the SCOTUS. By knowingly allowing illegals in their state which impacts congressional representation such states are diluting the rightful census count of law abiding states.

 

Eh? What a cheap shot! How is calling someone here illegally an illegal immigrant "dehumanizing" them?

No you are that person because you attempted to do what you claim i Am to me....

 

Which was wrongly interpreted to apply to those whose parents are here illegally, thereby launching the Anchor Baby industry. The 14A was intended to apply to former slaves, not illegals.

 

The first time its a misdemeanor after that its a felony.

So you dont believe in any form of trespassing?

 

Those with a genuine concern for mankind would send aid to parts of the world where they can only dream of living how they live south of our borders. This issue is about political power, nothing more.