Is herd immunity ahead of schedule?

~ Yes indeed. And that second wave occurred when travel was resumed - hence the travel ban the U.S. put in place. Hopefully we will avoid that.

 

Yep, herd immunity failed

 

~ That depends on the herd. All herds must remain isolated for a period .

 

If they remain isolated you cannot achieve herd immunity!

 

Herd immunity has been developing for 10 months, whether you are aware of it or not. Several months ago in parts of Queens, tests showed as high as 68% with antibodies.

 

That study estimated 21% of NYC residents had antibodies, not necessarily Immunity, and that was after 30,000 deaths. The ones tested in Queens were people who suspected that they had the virus hence would give rise to a higher number of those with antibodies; it was not a random sample.

As a caveat, I'm not against opening up with conditions

 

An 85 year old with cancer dies and it gets marked as a covid death. The whole thing is a scam.

 

Dr. Fauci SLAMMED Senator and ophthalmologist Rand Paul on Wednesday during a Senate hearing testimony on the novel coronavirus. Paul questioned whether lockdowns were an effective strategy to combat the spread of COVID-19.

 

You pretending you know how what you're talking about is the scam.

 

I saw that, it was pretty good.

Would have been better if he'd called him a corrupt idiot, but I guess you can't have everything.

 

Couldn't agree more. I cannot stand Rand Paul or that dead poodle on his head. I wonder why it took so long for a neighbor to get infuriated enough to kick his puny butt. He must be so absolutely obnoxious to live around.

 

How can something we don't have fail...

What is usually meant by that it's possible to generate herd immunity with mass vaccination, about 80%.

Which will be hard to get now that Trump has generated so much distrust.

 

Yea because no one with cancer lives longer than 85 years old!

 

It was with reference to Spanish Flu which had less deaths in its first wave than Covid-19 has caused yet went on to kill 50 million people

 

It may be true that we have lasting immunity from covid especially since we are still learning about this virus. But not all viruses have lasting immunity. Sometimes immunity just wears off. Sometimes the virus mutates too quickly. This idea that we can rely on herd immunity is wrong on so many levels. Just look at the flu, common cold, and HIV.

This is why we need to keep working on vaccines that can give us at least temporary immunity, and keep improving it as time goes on. But if we common cold doesn't work out, we need to also be working on improving our testing and treatments.

Until we can handle the virus better, we need to prevent this virus from overwhelming our healthcare system like it almost did in New York. When Florida and Texas were beginning to see a dangerous number of cases they implemented lockdowns face mask mandates. This was the right call to make.

 

I don't know where you are getting this 99.9% number from when we are still not entirely sure about the exact death rate. What we do know is when we do let the virus get out of control, it overwhelms the healthcare system. We also know it is much more dangerous than the common flu by looking at weekly death rates compared to the flu.

 

Of course they do, but there is a reason the average age pge of death is 77. News flash old people die. Couple this with the millions of false positives a voila.

 

"Cases" are irrelevant and consist mostly of false positives or people with no symptoms.

All that really matters are deaths and hospitalizations, both of which have been declining for months.

Lockdowns are nothing more than tyranny based on junk science and hysteria. They aren't saving any lives. Neither are masks.

Sweden has already proven that all the doomsday predictions of the alarmists were totally false and overblown. They never locked down their society and they never mandated masks. No disaster ever befell them and now they are doing better than pretty much every country in the world. Their death rate is basically at zero.

The evidence simply isn't on your side. All you have is fear mongering and speculation.

 

Then you should have learned that skepticism and argument are inherent to the scientific process. Hypotheses and theories are supposed to be challenged and questioned. They are not a set of dogmas handed down to us by high priests, as you seem to believe.

 

I ignored it because it's not even slightly relevant to the current reality.

 

200,000 deaths attributed to COVID in a population of 328.2 million.

200,000 is 0.06% of the population.

That means 99.9% of the population is in no real danger from this virus.

The only people who are at serious risk are nursing home patients and the morbidly obese. And no amount of lockdowns and masks can save them. The former group are going to die within months no matter what we do. And the latter group will only survive if they lose weight.

Sweden's healthcare system was never overwhelmed. None of the doomsday scenarios predicted by alarmists ever came true in Sweden. Sweden is proof that you've been 100% wrong from the very beginning.

Of course, you will never admit it, no matter what, because then you would have to confront the enormous damage you've done to society.

No, we don't know that. There is increasing evidence that the death rates are being massively inflated. But even if we accept these massively inflated death rates at face value, there is still no reason to panic and lock society down. Sweden is proof of that. You are wrong and always have been.

 

I've posted dozens of threads attacking Trump. I'm one of the few people on this forum who is capable of thinking for himself. You, on the other hand, just repeat whatever talking points the DNC comes up with on a given day. If the DNC suddenly found it politically advantageous to be against lockdowns, you'd reverse your position in a heartbeat.

 

Partisan liberals are incapable of adhering to scientific principles.

 

What is that supposed to prove?

Simply not true. Social mobility data shows that Sweden experienced one of the smallest declines in social mobility of any country.



Meanwhile, countries that locked down extremely hard, like in Spain, Italy, France, and the UK, experienced high death rates anyway.

Wow. It's almost as if a virus cannot be controlled by asinine social engineering schemes.

 

STOP IT! I NEED MY COFFEE!