Turkey Now Technically At War With Russia And Syria

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  1. Jeannette

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    The talks between Russia and Turkey broke down. Erdogan being true to his Ottoman roots, never had any intention of pulling out of Idlib in Syria. This means Putin was lied to. Erdogan said:

    "If the countries that we are in negotiations with do not do what needs to be done in Idlib, then we will do it ourselves. For the time being, we do not see the result that we want from these talks. We are fully prepared for our own operation in Idlib, it's only a matter of time we can start at any moment. This is a vital operation for us,"

    The Turks and their Syrian allies stormed the town of Nairab, tried to force the pro-Assad coalition to abandon their control over the important M4 highway and attempted to end the siege of five Turkish observation posts in northeast Idlib.

    Turkey has now 7.000 soldiers on the ground in Syria who are in the possession of 2.000 armored vehicles and 70 tanks.

    The Russians only have military advisers, warplanes and anti-aircraft batteries such as the S-300 and S-400 systems at their disposal but could quickly deploy soldiers to Idlib if needed.

    Within a few hours fifty Syrian soldiers or members of Iranian-backed Shiite militias had been killed while Turkey lost only two soldiers. The Turks and their Islamist allies also destroyed five tanks and four armored vehicles belonging to the pro-Assad troops.

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/...en killed while Turkey lost only two soldiers.
     
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    Well that's exciting
     
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    They are not at war, maybe they are in a kind of minimal wrestling
     
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    I can't imagine Erdogan playing a game of chicken here, outright taunting Russia you'd think he would at least have the confidence (funding) to follow through on his threats. So where is Turkey's money coming from to fund all this aggression... the Globalists, weapons smuggling & human trafficking?
     
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    Russia retaliated by bombing outposts, without killing any soldiers. This is seen as the first phase of a major Russian-Syrian operation to take control of Syria's last demilitarized zone, which Turkey is trying to turn into a protectorate, such as the Afrin region.


    I believe Turkey's money is coming from Qatar.
     
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    We need to kick Turkey from NATO.

    Or leave NATO.
     
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    Russia and Turkey have fought 14 wars, so there is an embedded animosity and distrust between them. The slightest threat to Russia's security and that will be the end of Turkey. The problem is that Erdogan's opposition is far more nationalistic and aggressive than he is, so no one wants to see them in power. To keep that from happening, Erdogan is given leeway by the EU at the expense of Greece and Cyprus.
     
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    Putin needs Sultan Erdogan as a means of exerting pressure on European countries
     
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    It's the other way around. Erdogan needs Russia to exert pressure on the EU and US - and it works. It always worked, Turkey does what it wants, and gets whatever it wants.
     
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    Turkey Now Technically At War With Russia And Syria

    I wonder when the technical fighting begins.
     
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    When they start blasting one another with their computers.

    On a serious note, they have had a few incidents. So the Ottomans are in Syria to grab what they feel is theirs, and the US is there to keep Assad and the Syrian people from taking back what is really theirs. I know the US sent in troops as well as troops from Saudi Arabia to hold on to Syria's oil wells.

    I believe the original agenda of the Washington lobbyist/think tanks, was to end Assad's all inclusive society, and Balkanize Syria by dividing it into ethnic and religious enclaves. The Saudis would be given Syria's oil as promised, and Turkey would grab Aleppo as planned. At the same time the fanatics like ISIS and Al Nusra, would continue killing off their more moderate Christian, Alawite and Shia neighbors until all of Syria can be absorbed into their Caliphate.

    Thank God for Russia. At least they have a little sense - not to mention conscience as well. So let's see, what do we have now:


    Russia :handshake: Syria, Iran, Israel, Iraq
    Russia :dual:US, Turkey



    U.S. :handshake: Kurds, Israel, KSA
    U.S :dual: Russia, Iran, Syria


    Turkey :dual:Syria, Russia, Kurds


     
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    Armageddon akbar! :icon_shithitsthefan
     
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    Every war always revolve around the funding and I find the Qatar...Muslim Brotherhood...Soros link very interesting. Makes me wonder if these same players are also behind the Navalny incident... shutting down Nordstream 2 would certainly affect Russia's future ability to respond to Turkey
     
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    It's coming to that.
     
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    The Russians have been blasting us with their computers since at least 2013.

    The candidate they backed, and his party made sure that there were no real consequences, and that no legal protections were put in place to prevent the campaign from continuing.

    But you already knew that.
     
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    How would I know that, from the MSM? You're joking right?



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    Interesting view! What I paid attention to, is that Turkey is freeing itself from its gas dependency on Moscow. This might account for why Erdogan is throwing caution to the wind, and taking a more assertive stance - especially in Syria. As for the rest, some of it could be hyperbole, and then again maybe not. I don't know that much about it, so only time will tell.
     
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    I don't know enough, either. But that article looked good.

    The eu never fully accepted Turkey, With the ME coming apart around their ears, and huge numbers of refugees stressing the country, it's understandable Erdogan tried to get palsy with Putin. But Putin is committed to supporting Assad, That conflicts with Ergogan's ambition to bring the Turkmen, and their land, back into Turkey.

    I think the best thing we could do is come to an agreement with Turkey where we set up refugee camps to care for about a million. We could give them food, shelter, some security and some health care. Which is desperately needed. Easiest way to look like a good guy is to do good.
     
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    Knowing Turkey and how they push out inhabitants, and repopulate the area with a Turkish population so as to expand its territory, I'm going to assume that the Turkmen in Syria were brought in recently to repopulate the Kurd areas that were ethnically cleansed.

    Bowing to Erdogan's wishes, is kind of like bowing to Hitler when he was making demands. It doesn't work! He and the Turks in general see it as a weakness. But the EU keeps bowing to them. I think it's because the Germans have an affinity towards their former allies. They favored Bosnia and Croatia in the Yugoslavian wars - all former allies.

    Just my opinion!
     
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    MSM? No.

    Trump and McConnell’s efforts to derail any attempt to see laws put in place to punish electoral collusion with a foreign government are well known and well documented. There is no question that the GOP actively blocked any attempt to punish the sort of obvious collusion that went on in 2016.

    Not to mention the extraordinary effort the Mitch McConnell took to protect the aluminum empire of Oleg Deripashka, the man Paul Manafort owed $19 million to. Right after Manafort got sentenced, Trump unilaterally cancelled sanctions against Deripashka’s aluminum business (and no others). McConnell went to the extraordinary step to undermine the power of his own Senate by blocking them from stopping Trump, Deripashka paid off by promising an aluminum smelter in Kentucky.

    The collusion itself is partially documented in exhaustive detail and supported by witness testimony and documentary evidence, as the Senate Intelligence Committee just pointed out. Also detailed, are part of the Mueller report, are at least ten counts of obstruction of justice in the ongoing attempt to try and cover it all up.


    I knew about Trump’s coziness with Russian oligarchs fifteen years ago. Long before he was ever involved in any sort of politics, other than his occasional buffoon act for the daytime television audience.
     
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    And who wasn't cozy with Russian tycoons 15 years ago. A Russian criminal and tax evader like Browder, could never have been able to push a law as deceptive and destructive as the Maginsky act, unless he had some very powerful connections in Washington.

    More relevant I think would be the Democrats cozyness with the Ukrainian oligarchs - and especially the mega criminal one who was throwing big bucks around Washington under the guise of Burisma Holdings. He wanted to keep the accusations of MH17 on Vladimir Putin, to cover up that his own men shot it down thinking it was Putin's plane that had left Warsaw 2 hours before.
     
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    Sorry, but none of those imaginary people are in hock to Putin’s friends and the money laundering banks they control.

    Trump is. And he has been since Brighton Beach Russians first started showing up to launder their cash through his failing casinos. (Actually, that’s about the time Felix Sater first showed up).

    You do a fine job of presenting Moscow’s line here on PF!
     
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    We have no war with Russia. Only we are opposing parties.
     
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    Nobody repopulates the region and no Turkish citizens want to live in Syria. This is bullshit. For example me, if you give me one million dolar, I don't wanna be there even !

    Turkomans have been living in Syria since 12 th century.

    If a Turk live in Syria or Iraq, then he/she is called as "Turkoman", if a Turk live in Azerbaijan or Iran then he/she is called as "Azeri or Azerbaijani" [Our language is also intelligible just like Swedish and Norwegian]

    If a Turk live in Turkey, he/she is hust an "ordinary" Turk.

    Turkomans have been immigrating Turkey for years and Kurds as well.
     
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